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Subject: Re: The Lisa
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 14:48:45 +0000
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On 28/02/2025 10:57, Stefan Ram wrote:
> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>> IIRC at one point in time around 1981, the answer was:
>> You buy a Lisa. The "Lisa Workshop" is the development system
>> for the Mac.
> 
>    The Lisa might have been used internally at Apple in 1982 and
>    was released 1983.
> 
>> (After a few years, Macintosh-native development system were
>> developed.)
> 
>    The Macintosh was released in 1984-01, and around 1986, the
>    Lisa Workshop was replaced with the Macintosh Programmer's
>    Workshop which ran inside the Macintosh operating system.
> 
> 
Ah Lisa and Apple Classcal.

I can remember when we had 2 Apple Lisas. The were slow (5MHz 68000 CPU) 
and the hard disk was connected over a modified Centronics parallel 
port. But wow it was fun.

Then a Mac arrived. We have 240V mains in the UK and the US has 110V. We 
had Mac serial number 000005 in the UK and it came with a 110V 
autotransformer almost as big as the Mac itself.

Mac development was done on the Lisa. Then sometime later a set of ROMS 
were issued that turned a Lisa into a slow Mac. And we had MPW running 
on it.

Who remembers the comment in the memory map for the Mac,  "6 bytes for 
our friends from Seattle"?