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From: William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Climate models are wrong.
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 13:29:26 -0500
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Mad Hamish wrote:
> 
> Christy and Spencer responded to the critiques by adjusting their
> calculations, and by 1998, they had backed off their cooling finding,
> reporting a global warming trend apparent in their data, albeit a
> slight one."

A few months before things came crashing down, one of Christy's 
co-workers gave a seminar at Texas A&M.

Their method of isolating mid-tropospheric temperature signals from the 
rest of the IR being measured (some from the surface, the lower 
troposphere, the upper, and the stratosphere) seemed suspect to me, but
clarification of such issues often comes later in the seminar, so I kept 
quiet, waiting for the end of the seminar to ask questions if I still 
had them.

Not so one of our graduate students.  He ripped into the speaker quite 
fiercely, giving no quarter.  The calculations given, he said, would 
without doubt include some stratospheric signal in their "mid 
tropospheric" temperature estimates.  And as the stratosphere was known 
to be cooling, this would seriously compromise their accuracy.  Every 
argument the speaker raised was shot down.  It was a massacre.

And my question was answered.


I sometimes wonder if that speaker, who seemed perturbed rather than 
angry, didn't drop by Christy's office the next day and say "we have a 
problem".  Shortly thereafter they acknowledged it in public.


> “The history of the UAH tropospheric temperature data sets is a
> history of serious scientific error,” said Benjamin Santer, a climate
> researcher at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,  referring to
> the University of Alabama in Huntsville. “Most of the serious errors
> in UAH temperature data have been detected by other research groups,
> not by UAH scientists.”


No less than three serious errors were made, each of which tending to 
show the world as cooler than it is.  None of these errors are 
particularly subtle, see above.


> 
> ExxonMobil George W. Bush to appoint him to review IPCC submissions
> because he suited their desires to keep selling fossil fuels
> 
> Here's quotes showing either his dishonesty or his stupidity about
> power sources
> 
> “I try to tell people about why there’s just not enough energy there,
> I can stand in the sunlight. It doesn’t bother me at all. If the wind
> is blowing, doesn’t bother me at all. That tells you right there, it
> has very little energy.

Who said this?   It's monumentally stupid.

William Hyde