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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!panix!.POSTED.2602:f977:0:1::2!not-for-mail From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: The Lisa (was: The DOS 3.3 SYS.COM Bug Hunt) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 16:07:07 -0500 (EST) Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) Message-ID: <vpt8hr$sb$1@panix2.panix.com> References: <vpgghn$o45q$1@dont-email.me> <vpjt0i$1qtkt$1@dont-email.me> <87zfi9hzt0.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> <program-20250228104727@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Injection-Info: reader1.panix.com; posting-host="2602:f977:0:1::2"; logging-data="15570"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@panix.com" Bytes: 1928 Lines: 27 Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: >Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote or quoted: >>Soon thereafter, Apple was ballyhooing the Mac so I borrowed a Mac for >>a week, then went into the Apple Store and had a look: >>Me: So, how do you program it? > > IIRC at one point in time around 1981, the answer was: > > You buy a Lisa. The "Lisa Workshop" is the development system > for the Mac. My friend David Jacobs was so enthused about the Mac and how wonderful it was going to be when it came out, because it would be a Lisa at a reasonable price for anyone. But when it actually arrived, it wasn't anything like a Lisa, and it was designed to be an appliance. He and I didn't want an appliance. I'm not speaking out against appliances because there is certainly a need for them. And.... one of the answers to "how do you program it?" is "you use Hypercard." Likely the salesman didn't really know much about it, but that's typical of salesmen. One month they are selling furniture, the next they are selling IBM mainframes, the month afterward they are selling wholesale groceries. That's the sales business. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."