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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: The Lisa (was: The DOS 3.3 SYS.COM Bug Hunt) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 21:46:31 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 22 Message-ID: <vptarn$3r2n0$13@dont-email.me> References: <vpgghn$o45q$1@dont-email.me> <20250224075243.abbf3892667a0cf1313d1441@127.0.0.1> <vpih89$1d236$2@dont-email.me> <8734g2voya.fsf@example.com> <878qpuk0m6.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> <vpjt0i$1qtkt$1@dont-email.me> <87zfi9hzt0.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> <program-20250228104727@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 22:46:32 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="15a5a1eba7c56e832699653689652217"; logging-data="4033248"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/S3kpjcTfLko2cVTuygy5V" User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Cancel-Lock: sha1:SrkS1SREZvNHFG53p7s0yz5pTLM= Bytes: 2112 On 28 Feb 2025 09:49:01 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote: > Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote or quoted: >> >> Me: So, how do you program it? > > IIRC at one point in time around 1981, the answer was: > You buy a Lisa. The original 128K Mac was simply too resource-starved to self-host any useful development environment. Except ... Forth. I think there was a Forth-based product called “Neon” that actually let you write programs on a 128K Mac, to run on a 128K Mac. The more expensive 512K Mac (not that the 128K Mac was cheap) opened a few more opportunities for self-hosted development. “What will we do with all that memory?” people asked. Andy Herzfeld answered: “Why not multitask more than one program at once? Behold, I give you ... Switcher!” Then the Mac Plus in 1986 launched a whole new era. Suddenly the Macintosh wasn’t a toy any more.