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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: Anyone with sufficient knowledge of C knows that DD specifies
 non-terminating behavior to HHH
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 19:05:25 -0600
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On 2/28/2025 3:01 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 28.feb.2025 om 01:04 schreef olcott:
>> On 2/27/2025 3:00 PM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Thu, 27 Feb 2025 13:06:41 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 2/27/2025 3:36 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 27.feb.2025 om 05:40 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 2/26/2025 9:52 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:49:42 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2025 3:48 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Op 26.feb.2025 om 05:50 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/25/2025 10:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You already know that you are stupidly wrong about the emulation
>>>>>>>>>> being incorrect or you would have provided the correct emulation
>>>>>>>>>> sequence long ago.
>>>>>>>>>> What are the first 15 lines of DD correctly emulated by HHH?
>>>>>>>>> The error in the simulation occurs already at the 5th instruction,
>>>>>>>>> the 'call 000015c3'. Instead of simulating this instruction,
>>>>>>>> What are the correct first 15 lines of DD emulated by HHH.
>>>>>>> There can be no correct continuation.
>>>>>> If I am wrong then a correct simulation must exist.
>>>>> HHH1 did a correct simulation, so, there it is.
>>>> That dishonestly dodged the original question:
>>>> What are the first 15 *lines of DD* correctly emulated by HHH?
>>> Look at what HHH1 does.
>>>
>>>> _DD()
>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>>> [00002155] c3         ret Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>
>>> Anyway: ignoring the call to HHH, 
>> Is stupidly wrong.
> It is not wrong, because HHH and its return value are not given in the 
> instructions above.
> But if we assume that it is Olcotts's HHH that returns 0, we can 
> continue with 2141 and then continue up to 2155.

I am no longer going reply to each individual.
I will reply to each point only once.

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DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code


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