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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2025 11:44:15 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <vpuoe0$62tf$2@dont-email.me> References: <vptlfu$3st19$9@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2025 11:44:16 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="78ea2e407625ee7c3e478257aed62108"; logging-data="199599"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/uQQvMOQqRqWwFzr2n0zP+" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ePeUbMQ8oZHzn7a7hgGDLapExqU= Content-Language: nl, en-GB In-Reply-To: <vptlfu$3st19$9@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2682 Op 01.mrt.2025 om 01:47 schreef olcott: > _DD() > [00002133] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping > [00002134] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping > [00002136] 51 push ecx ; make space for local > [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD > [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) > [00002141] 83c404 add esp,+04 > [00002144] 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax > [00002147] 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 > [0000214b] 7402 jz 0000214f > [0000214d] ebfe jmp 0000214d > [0000214f] 8b45fc mov eax,[ebp-04] > [00002152] 8be5 mov esp,ebp > [00002154] 5d pop ebp > [00002155] c3 ret > Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] > > When we hypothesize that the code at machine address > 0000213c is an x86 emulator then we know that DD > remains stuck in recursive emulation and cannot possibly > reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally. > > When we add the additional complexity that HHH also > aborts this sequence at some point then every level > of recursive emulation immediately stops. This does > not enable any DD to ever reach its "ret" instruction. > Again the same claim. No progress. Why? Is there anybody claiming that HHH does reach the 'ret' instruction? We all agree that HHH fails to reach the 'ret' instruction of the finite string that, when given for direct execution has no problem to reach the 'ret' instruction. What does this failure of HHH mean? What is the next step? To me it seems to be more evidence for the halting theorem.