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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The status of ID
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:27:52 -0600
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On 2/27/2025 1:03 PM, RonO wrote:
> SNIP:
> 
> I tried to find out what the current status of the ID creationist bait 
> and switch scam is at this time.  It doesn't seem to be growing, but 
> pretty much imploding.
> 
> They are still claiming that ID can be taught in the US public schools, 
> and that the Kitzmiller decision was wrong and that even though ID was 
> found to not be science and could not be taught in the public schools, 
> that the ID creationist scam is still legal to teach in the public 
> schools outside of Dover Penn.  They make their waffling warnings, but 
> their advice to educators is that ID can still be taught in the public 
> schools and they lie to them about it being legal to teach the junk. 
> They already know that it is illegal to teach what they have, and it 
> doesn't really matter that the same finding has not been made in other 
> legal districts.  IDiots like Louisiana, Texas, Utah and West Virginia 
> are still willing to believe the lies (Utah dropped the issue when the 
> bait and switch was run on them, but Texas, Louisiana, and West Virginia 
> wanted to teach ID in their public schools even after the loss in Dover).
> 
> https://www.discovery.org/f/1453/
> 
> The Discovery Institute published a 2021 version of this educator's 
> breifing packet, but they subsequently reformated the web site and it 
> looks like they have reverted to their 2018 version.
> 
> The West Virginia creationists have been the last bunch of creationist 
> rubes to take the bait, and in 2023 sent an act to the Governor that 
> stated that teachers could not be prohibited from teaching intelligent 
> design.  The bill was not signed, and the Discovery Institute was able 
> to run the bait and switch on the legislator responsible, and she 
> removed intelligent design from the bill.  It was signed by the Governor 
> in 2024 with the obfuscation and denial switch scam language instead of 
> the claims about intelligent design, but the stupid legislator continued 
> to claim that intelligent design was going to be taught in the West 
> Virginia schools even though she had, had to remove mentioning it from 
> the act.  The Discovery Institute had to continue to run the bait and 
> switch after the passage of the switch scam stupidity.  The West 
> Virginia creationist rubes were too stupid to understand what the bait 
> and switch scam has been for over 2 decades.  Just like Louisiana and 
> Texas they have to be reminded that the switch scam doesn't even mention 
> that ID nor creationism ever existed.
> 
> The Bait and Switch has been going down 100% of the time since March 
> 2002, and has been mostly a failure and embarassment for the ID perps. 
> Nearly all the creationist rubes that have taken the bait have not bent 
> over for the switch scam, and have dropped the issue.  As West Virginia 
> represents, the creationist rubes that did bend over for the switch scam 
> did it for dishonest reasons.  None of them have been interested in 
> actually teaching the obfuscation and denial stupidity, and Louisiana 
> has tried to use the switch scam to teach ID twice and have had to have 
> the bait and switch run on them repeatedly.  The last time was in 2013 
> when both Texas and Louisiana tried to use their switch scam stupidity 
> to get ID supplements into biology textbooks.  Louisiana called what was 
> in their supplement both creationism and intelligent design.  The ID 
> perps had to run the bait and switch again on both states.  They had to 
> remind the rubes that the switch scam was supposed to have nothing to do 
> with ID nor creationism.
> 
> It was 4 years before Utah had to have the bait and switch run on them 
> in 2017, and 6 years before the West Virginia rubes needed to have the 
> bait and switch run on them in 2023, and then again in 2024.  There 
> likely are not very many creationist rubes left that remain dishonest, 
> ignorant and stupid enough to take the bait.
> 
> It looks like the traction of the ID creationist scam is waning, but 
> MarkE believes that the ID creationist scam is still viable.
> 
> Pretty much nothing that I could find indicated that the ID scam was 
> being taken seriously by even other creationists.  The Reason to Believe 
> old earth creationists used to claim to be IDiots, and were claiming to 
> use the ID science to create their creation model.  They no longer make 
> any claims about being ID advocates, and their recent anti-evolution 
> junk no longer mentions intelligent design.  Their current history on 
> their web site no longer has intelligent design as part of their 
> efforts, and there is no explanation for the change.
> 
> https://reasons.org/single/creation-model-approach
> 
> In 2019 the Discovery Institute announced the start of an ID scam unit 
> in Austria.  It looks like it was stillborn, and not much was ever done 
> there.
> 
> Google QUOTE:
> In 2019, a pro-intelligent design (ID) group, the "Zentrum für 
> Biokomplexität & NaturTeleologie" (Center for BioComplexity & Natural 
> Teleology) in Austria, published a webpage promoting ID-creationism in 
> cooperation with the Discovery Institute/Center for Science & Culture
> END QUOTE:
> 
> https://www.biocomplexity.at/projekte/
> 
> They have a list of projects, but only one seems to have started the 
> first one listed.  The others are claimed to be "in progress".
> 
> They haven't had an event since 2022, and that seems to be the last time 
> they updated their web site.
> 
> QUOTE:
> Next event:
> 2022:  Virtual General Meeting for all club members via Zoom video 
> conference on July 29, 2022 at 18:30 CET
> END QUOTE:
> 
> Bechly is still listed as their chairman, with no notice that he died 
> last year, 2 years after their last scheduled event.
> 
> Uncommon descent was closed by the ID perps a few years ago, so ID 
> doesn't seem to have any significant support outside of the ID scam unit 
> at the Discovery Institute.
> 
> The ID network reopened their web site after over half a decade of 
> trying to sell the switch scam as COPE without ID in the name of their 
> organization, but they haven't had a press release since before they 
> closed their site in 2009 and said that you could find them associated 
> with COPE.  They seem to only be claiming to still be IDiots, but are 
> not doing anything to promote the ID creationist scam at this time. They 
> had zero success trying to sell the switch scam as COPE.
> 
> http://intelligentdesignnetwork.org/
> 
> The Intelligent Design Network of Ohio and New Mexico remain defunct.
> 
> There don't seem to be any "academics" that were once associated with 
> the ID networks that are still active in trying to sell the ID scam to 
> the public.
> 
> The ID perps at the Discovery Institute seem to be the only ones left 
> trying to use ID as bait to promote their creationist political agenda.
> 
> As a sidenote I found out that the Discovery Institute had taken over 
> the IDEA IDiotic club effort that Luskin had started way back before the 
> bait and switch started to go down.  There were a number of clubs active 
> at Universities across the US.  Most of them were converted scientific 
> creationist clubs, and the bait and switch ended up killing both ID and 
> scientific creationism at those universities.  When I looked it up it 
> seemed like only one club had survived after 2002.  None of the students 
> seemed to wanted to discuss the switch scam.  Only one club updated 
> their web site after 2002, and I couldn't find the clubs registered as 
> clubs at their Universities even though they were still listed at the 
> IDEA web site.
> 
> https://roots.discovery.org/ideaclubs/
> 
> It looks like they are trying to foster local IDiotic book clubs.  These 
> are likely mostly Bible study groups that have added ID scam junk to 
> their reading list.  It has to be sad to have creationists ignorant and 
> stupid enough to still take the bait, trying to discuss the ID scam 
> literature.
> 
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