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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Rabbis: wrong Shabbos, wrong year count, year 6 000, Sjemot ...
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title: Jacob’s Prophecy: When Will Mashiach Arrive?
source: Yaakov Meyer
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G3sCVR4kCQ

   Reply ...

I have some questions. 1. Why do you think Shabbat does not come at
midnight ? Rabbis have disagreed with each other on when the new day
starts, and have somehow decided it is when you see 3 stars. However,
everyone in the world knows that "the next day" is after the night
sleep. A day goes from night sleep to night sleep. There is also a
Prophet who said you may not exchange living by day with living by night
(I don't recall which one now), implying that it is good behavior to
sleep at night. Do you say after dinner at 18:00, if you want to meet some
friend at 20:00 two hours later, "see you tomorrow" ? Of course not. Also
it seems to be the case, that in the night the body recouperates and
repairs itself. What is left of a rest day, if you make the moment of
the new day somewhere during the waking hours ? Then the supposed rest
day can become (and this is now allowed by the Rabbis) a day where you
have simply moved the working hours around within that day, but you are
still working. You work Friday during the day, and then on Saturday (7th
day) you work on that following evening (which is re-labeled 1st day,
but it isn't of course, it is that same day). Where is it defined that
the new day starts in the early evening ? I never found a source for this.

I once heard it is based on Bereshieth, but this never made any sense
to me whatsoever. I hence seem myself forced to conclude for now, that
it is an error. (There is something quite weird with this error though,
if youtube doesn't delete my comment I'll get to it below). If you have
a good argument, that would be great. It is noteworthy perhaps also,
that it seems to be said (I don't know why) that if Israel observes the
Shabbat once or twice, the Redemption will start. Perhaps this is the
problem, pretending the day is not a day, to break the Shabbat. How real
this is: I have learned that in Tel Aviv, the streets roar to life with
people working in the evening of the 7th day (like restaurants and the
like) ? (Breaking the Shabbat is a death penalty in the Torah. Teaching
how to break the Shabbat, which would then be what the Rabbis do, is of
course also a death penalty then, or even worse if that is possible. If
all this is true, you can get a sense of how decayed Israel is at this
point, and how lost Rabbinical Judaism is, and that's just the Shabbat)

Okay anyway, how about this point also: the Rabbis claim that Hashem kept
Israel for 210 years in Egypt, and not the 430 which the Torah explicitly
says twice (IIRC). They think this, because of a genealogical problem,
where it is mentioned "who went down to Egypt". Supposedly both cannot
be true. However, even if they think that, it is still not allowed
to just change the Torah to 210 years, because it says explicitly
430 years. Nevertheless, they did so, and of course this is just not
allowed. Some quite good arguments where made that this list of who went
down to Egypt _included_ people who where later to be born in Egypt. The
issue should then have to be solved the other way around: not the year is
wrong, but the genealogy given needs to be read in a different way. The
kicker in all this: if you put in the 430 years in Egypt, you find (if
I did that correctly) that Corona lockdown year of the entire world,
is the year 6 000 (!).

The issue that I personally noticed with the 400/430 years (but of course
I may be wrong, so please correct if you can with real arguments and not
Rabbinical sources but _written Tanach_ sources), is that when Moshe
Rabbeinu killed the Egyptian guard, that could have been the start of
the rebellion and N amount of years later they could have left Egypt
perfectly on time for the 400 years. It was however not Hashem who
was late and who was rebelling and doing all the tarrying, even though
the Jewish people may have been blaming heaven as usual for their own
crimes, it was Israel again who let Moshe Rabbeinu down. Moshe Rabbeinu
had to flee, and everything was delayed by many years. Right ? Moshe
Rabbeinu killed that guard, but that's an act of war against Egypt and
the Pharao. That is already the beginning of leaving Egypt. Israel only
had to be with Moshe Rabbeinu and side with Justice and courage, and it
could have led to leaving Egypt eventually. The story would then have
been different. Hence I would claim: everything Hashem did was perfect,
it was only Israel who messed it up. Just as the Rabbis messed up the
Shabbos and the year count. Not heaven did, Israel did. Heaven is good,
Israel is wrong. We see that all over the Tanach.

Now for the funny part about the year count: if you plug in this whole
thing where Shabbos starts on Friday evening, and you do the year count
as the Rabbis did, then you come more or less again to the same years
compared to if you did those math problems differently: 430 years in Egypt
(so it is now the year 6 005 already, and Israel has _again_ refused to
listen to heaven just as they refused to listen to Moshe Rabbeinu who
came there on time perfectly with the attack on the Egyptian guards),
and the Shabbos starts on the 7th day and not on the 6.75th day (or
somesuch). I thought at least it was funny how both math versions point
to a similar time again.

At 3:40 you make a claim, saying either 'moshiach' is coming any minute
now soon because Shabbat started but 'moshiach didn't reveal himself yet',
or it is coming any minute now. This is not correct, because there is a
third option: 'moshiach' did reveal himself, but Israel didn't want to
notice it and refused to do Teshuvah. What do we see with the Sjemot
? Same thing: Moshe Rabbeinu was there starting the Sjemot already,
but Israel didn't notice it, they didn't want to have the courage, they
didn't have the moral fibre to stand with Moshe Rabbeinu against the
evil of Egypt. They thought that God may have abandoned them ? But no,
they abandoned the work they had needed to do, which was to be a shield
around Moshe Rabbeinu who did a righteous thing, against the Tyranny of
Egypt, and that was perhaps what your God wanted you to do. To show that
courage, the care for the truth, the peace, Justice, for what's right,
and just go for it just like Moshe Rabbeinu went for it when he saw the
evil. Moshe acted like the hero he was, Israel cowered and sided with
Egypt (!), the abusers. Then they thought, their God had forgotten them
? It was not so, and this may be the same thing right now also, that
Israel _pretends_ not to notice what they need to do, they pretend it
is late, but in fact they themselves are late, they themselves are the
let down again. Heaven is perfect, and Israel has a hard neck. This is
all over the Tanach, you know that also.

Anyway, I think you should also do Teshuavh over this: Rambam Shemita
10:8, prozbul, heter iska, Shabbos breaking as mentioned, Sun disk
idolatry at the late 2nd Temple (Lamp of Helena); and maybe some other
things, but you'll notice that this is the economy. Money, land and
rest. Nations tend to die under Plutocracy, all the money, land and
then power goes to the few rich. This is wrong. Rambam 10:8 is obviously
wrong. Prozbul is obviously wrong. Yet you keep it on the books, hence
you cannot be Redeemed because you would mess the whole thing up, and
it is also a matter of dishonesty isn't it ? Have a great continuation
of your Shabbos. You could perhaps start the Redemption in some sort of
way today, but it is all up to you. I guess heaven can wait another 30
years if Israel is obstinate again, just like in Egypt.

By the way, if it is the year 6 000, then by this reading of the Torah
(a day is a thousand years, etc), 'moshiach' has had to already have
come, and Israel apparently has had to reject it already (please do
not confuse me with a western idolator, i hate that system, thanks for
noticing). Regarding this, it is amazing to see that we have now so much
technology, that we can speak of the end of work already. Humanity does
not have to do hard labor anymore almost, and soon maybe no labor at
all anymore, thanks to the technology. The world of Shabbat has already
started. Yet, humans mess it up. The consequences will be horrific,
and are probably already inevitable (war & tyranny).

   * End reply.

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