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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The actual code of HHH
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2025 16:02:44 -0600
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On 3/1/2025 2:10 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2025-03-01 01:16:41 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 2/28/2025 3:16 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 2025-02-27 15:29:31 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>
>>>>> No, it is correct to report that HHH is unable to correctly 
>>>>> simulate this halting program up to its end.
>>>>
>>>> In other words you are totally clueless that infinite
>>>> recursion HAS NO END.
>>>
>>> Do you mean that having no end enables the simulation to the end?
>>
>> see my new post
>> DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly terminate normally --- x86 code
> 
> In that post:
> 
>> DD()
>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>> [00002155] c3         ret
>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>
>> When we hypothesize that the code at machine address
>> 0000213c is an x86 emulator then we know that DD
>> remains stuck in recursive emulation and cannot possibly
>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>
>> When we add the additional complexity that HHH also
>> aborts this sequence at some point then every level
>> of recursive emulation immediately stops. This does
>> not enable any DD to ever reach its "ret" instruction.
> 
> The question remains unanswered. If the author cannot tell what he
> means we may assume that he didn't mean anything.
> 

Your question applied to my ambiguous verbiage.
I cancel that ambiguous verbiage and say that
DD emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its
own "ret" instruction.


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