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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 19:05:12 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 30 Message-ID: <vq26ko$sefa$1@dont-email.me> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <vpft4t$kdg0$4@dont-email.me> <067f772a-4f4c-4c27-8042-3f605f814876@att.net> <vpi1g6$14ivq$7@dont-email.me> <vpi7eu$17stc$1@dont-email.me> <vpi9jo$18qai$2@dont-email.me> <fa7bb863-570e-4602-b932-277b01133bba@att.net> <vpk0nn$1s04m$1@dont-email.me> <dd62224a-579b-4032-be2c-04c305247753@att.net> <vpmvg3$2i1ev$1@dont-email.me> <558a879a-4130-476a-8b5d-d53cd371919b@att.net> <vppfol$3280b$1@dont-email.me> <04dd7515-297c-4e7c-9e6a-a4f43e663552@att.net> <vpqflj$38bst$2@dont-email.me> <43c020cb-dc8b-4feb-be1d-2a76f02be14e@att.net> <vpqnbk$39ff1$2@dont-email.me> <19431656-fb42-4569-9334-b5b7e19c80c6@att.net> <vpruld$3jg6j$1@dont-email.me> <4b45ff34-dc3f-4e32-90a3-237f78fbd321@att.net> <vpsqb1$3mn6v$5@dont-email.me> <2e5bced50a3571e40311d75977f0880db77fe5a1@i2pn2.org> <vpusp4$721i$2@dont-email.me> <630f69206a09e08bc68b59cc1f95aac5e8a0f84b@i2pn2.org> <vpvj2c$asqp$1@dont-email.me> <b8eb097a0e284c197f4f563cf555ce7d32db3f42@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 19:05:13 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="05552e791a2a378fdd62ad684bac4e2e"; logging-data="932330"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+7xr2H0jTl2HxVgVXbfCOxPJHI+sBdZAQ=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:zbN5xKxeK5/xAI8VWwa4XE4Zd4o= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <b8eb097a0e284c197f4f563cf555ce7d32db3f42@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 2934 On 02.03.2025 13:22, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/1/25 1:18 PM, WM wrote: >> On 01.03.2025 17:25, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 3/1/25 6:58 AM, WM wrote: >> >>>> ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo. Note for all! The limit >>>> cannot exist without bridging this infinite gap. >>>> >>> But what is "n" in the above definition? >> >> It is a natural number that we can represent in principle by making as >> many strokes. > > SO, Which Natural Number can it not be that makes N_def different than N? They cannot be expressed, neither by stroks nor by digits. Their existence can only be proved: UF = ℕ ==> Ø = ℕ. >>> Note, the value AT the limit, and the values appraching the limit of >>> things can be different. >> >> The cannot differ by a fixed quantity like ℵo. > > Sure a limit can. What says it can't? If it differes then it is not a limit by a matheologial credo in absurdum. Regards, WM