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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Copyright for "simulating halt decider" by Olcott for many years Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 20:40:55 +0000 Organization: Not very much Lines: 41 Message-ID: <vq2fon$ntk1$1@dont-email.me> References: <vptlfu$3st19$9@dont-email.me> <vpug3h$50td$1@dont-email.me> <vq06al$eljf$1@dont-email.me> <vq06ja$dfve$2@dont-email.me> <vq075c$eljf$3@dont-email.me> <vq08gi$f06n$1@dont-email.me> <vq0b4u$f3k3$4@dont-email.me> <vq0crn$fhth$2@dont-email.me> <vq0dl2$f3k3$10@dont-email.me> <3hg7sjhnq962dnkue9cg8ftccfbsf7rpfd@4ax.com> <fbc1c3d5507d1d175bdadbbfde51c10bdda1b437@i2pn2.org> <vq19ae$nkcf$1@dont-email.me> <vq1pbq$q7t4$1@dont-email.me> <vq23r8$s54f$1@dont-email.me> <vq24r7$ru20$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 21:40:56 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cd6910f726b69d23287bd202fe950081"; logging-data="784001"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18kl0tbndJhQb+IXHDuLq/q" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:08TnsHtAv2pwe5BqfIW4QOVrmEU= In-Reply-To: <vq24r7$ru20$5@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3641 On 02/03/2025 17:34, olcott wrote: > On 3/2/2025 11:17 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >> On 02/03/2025 14:18, olcott wrote: [...] >>> For example the term "simulating halt decider" and >>> "simulating termination analyzer" have been copyrighted >>> by me for many years. >> No, they haven't. Copyright protects creative work, not word salad. >>> I do this to establish academic >>> credit for these underlying ideas. >> If you want to do that, write a paper and copyright /that/. > I have done that dozens of times. > I have published every increment of the progression > of these ideas on this forum since 2004. > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369971402_Simulating_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D > A Google search of "simulating halt decider" proves that > I am the originator. My earliest ideas are all in comp.theory. Hmm. I have [several times in this group] previously referred readers to http://www.cuboid.me.uk/anw/G12FCO/lect18.html [start at the third paragraph], published in 1996, wherein is the proof that a simulating halt decider can no more exist than any other halt decider [though, to be fair, I called it an emulating HD rather than a simulating HD]. I don't claim any great credit for this; the ideas are ancient history. At best I can claim credit for writing them in a form suitable for a lecture given to non-CS students. There are a few i's and t's to be dotted and crossed, which are left as an exercise [there are severe limits to what can be explained to non-specialists in 50 mins or so]. So I suspect that any attempt to claim copyright on any similar idea is well and truly doomed, at least in Europe, unless done in a distinctive font which is part of the claim. But feel free to try. Note that I have copyright on that web page; but I am happy for anyone to quote bits of it for academic or non-commercial purposes. -- Andy Walker, Nottingham. Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Dunhill