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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.iecc.com!.POSTED.news.iecc.com!not-for-mail From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 03:01:00 -0000 (UTC) Organization: Taughannock Networks Message-ID: <vq361c$cbc$2@gal.iecc.com> References: <vpl91g$25q46$1@dont-email.me> <vq2fc1$6db$1@gal.iecc.com> <vq2j3r$v1q6$2@dont-email.me> <m2kb86Fqd8pU1@mid.individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 03:01:00 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: gal.iecc.com; posting-host="news.iecc.com:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:676f:7373:6970"; logging-data="12652"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@iecc.com" In-Reply-To: <vpl91g$25q46$1@dont-email.me> <vq2fc1$6db$1@gal.iecc.com> <vq2j3r$v1q6$2@dont-email.me> <m2kb86Fqd8pU1@mid.individual.net> Cleverness: some X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Originator: johnl@iecc.com (John Levine) According to Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan>: >In article <vq2j3r$v1q6$2@dont-email.me>, >Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 20:34:09 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote: >> >>> S/360 brought us the addressable 8 bit byte packaged into 16 bit >>> halfwords and 32 bit words, using the same addressing for each. >> >>Did any machine offer “byte” addressability with “byte” having >>any meaning >>other than “8-bit quantity”? > >As late as the last half of the 1980s, we ran some network operations >on a BB&N C-70 machine with 10 bit bytes. Good point, I'd forgotten about it. It was a C-30 with two extra bits in each byte to increase the address space from 16 to 20 bits. I talked to one of the developers who told me with considerable frustration how much C code implicitly assumed 8 bit bytes. Well, duh. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly