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On Mar 2, 2025 at 7:52:29 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 23:51:18 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2025 at 3:39:20 PM PST, "suzeeq" <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>  On 3/2/2025 3:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>   super70s  <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>   On 2025-03-02 15:59:32 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>>>  
>>>>>>   On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>   On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 22:55:00 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>   On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>   On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>   A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
>>>>>>>>>>   as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
>>>>>>>>>>   fourth, with the headline:
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>        QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
>>>>>>>>>>   TRUMP EXCHANGE
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>   (And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>   Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>   It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
>>>>>>>>>   exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>   You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
>>>>>>>>>   contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>   Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
>>>>>>>>>   Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
>>>>>>>>>   how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>   Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
>>>>>>>>>   that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
>>>>>>>>>   going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
>>>>>>>>>   case....
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>   I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
>>>>>>>>   relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened with
>>>>>>>>   -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
>>>>>>>>   I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
>>>>>>>>   leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>   He does owe Trump an apology.  He was rude, ungracious, and
>>>>>>>   unthankful.  It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
>>>>>>>   giving you a ton of money.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>   Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
>>>>>>   and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
>>>>>>   him to be thankful for that?
>>>>>  
>>>>>   Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
>>>>>   president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
>>>>>   be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
>>>>>   wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
>>>>>   in Germany last week.
>>>>   
>>>>   No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
>>>>   learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
>>>>   Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
>>>>   
>>>>   The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
>>>>   degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
>>>>   
>>>>   There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
>>>>   successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
>>>>   2028 presidential primary season.
>>>>   
>>>  Let's hope so.
>> 
>> +1
>> 
> 
> That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
> candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
> to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
> to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
> only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
> Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
> will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
> run for the Presidency then.

She is far too polarizing. The Democrats would be insane to nominate her.

> Other than Bernie Sanders I can't think of anyone that is outside the
> two parties that could make a run for the Presidency.

But... but... what about Governor HairGel?