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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing
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On 2025-03-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-02 4:56 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
>>> On 2025-03-01 5:52 p.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>> Le 01-03-2025, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
>>>>>> On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 08:44:52 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>> No, that's not true. If it were, every six-month release of Ubuntu would
>>>>>>> be different than the previous. Meanwhile, there is little difference
>>>>>>> between Ubuntu 14.04 and 24.04 except for the GUI and the kernel.
>>>>> Alright, what will the latest kernel change in a person's daily life?
>>>>
>>>> Some improvements are more important than what LP/NV/DG/FR/whatever can
>>>> accomplish in his dreams. You have more and more thing in your kernel
>>>> without slowing down your computer. It's impressive by itself.
>>>
>>> So far, the updates to the kernel seem to mostly be about adding support
>>> for hardware. As a result, it seems that the need to update it ends the
>>> moment a kernel which properly supports every part of your computer is
>>> released.
>> 
>> So far, you only look at the graphical interface believing that
>> everything new that comes with it is only a change in it. But it's not
>> because you don't know how it works that it's that simple. Systemd
>> wasn't in Ubuntu 14.04 and including it in Ubuntu changed a lot of
>> things in the global security, in the way the processes are managed, in
>> the way the login is done, in the way the hardware is managed.
>> 
>> Systemd isn't the kernel and isn't the graphical interface and it was
>> brought by ubuntu 16.04, so when you say that nothing new happened
>> between Ubuntu 16.04 and 24.04 it's just plain wrong. And when you say
>> that nothing brought by the kernel changes anything in a user life it's
>> plain wrong at the same time because systemd was the first to use
>> cgroups and namespaces brought by the kernel. So without those changes
>> in the kernel, systemd wouldn't exist. And without systemd, the features
>> brought by the kernel wouldn't change a person's daily life.
>> 
>> And, for your information, the cgroups and namespaces are heavily used
>> by docker and kubernetes, so most of the biggest websites you are using
>> are working thanks to the changes in the kernel. You don't need
>> something as heavy as kubernetes to run a website in your basement, but
>> google and amazon who are facing millions of users every minute all over
>> the world really need it.
>> 
>> So, no, the changes brought by the kernel are not only related with new
>> drivers but it's too difficult for you to understand so you claim either
>> they don't exist or that they don't impact users experience. But that's
>> only plain wrong and you can brag about it as long as you want, as long
>> as you'll refuse to look really inside the technical work, your strong
>> opinion about it will be garbage. A modern system is way more complex
>> than your old vision.
>
> Like I said, anyone who is only concerned with _using_ the operating 
> system will not notice anything change in their daily life. They don't 
> use docker or kubernetes, and they won't care about the security 
> enhancements of systemd.
>
> Clearly, things have improved, but they were under the hood and 
> unnoticeable to regular users.

I agree with you there. At least for "normal" users like me. But I'm 
guessing those who develop Linux applications have noticed a huge 
difference.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien