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nanoflower@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 07:59:32 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>> On 3/2/2025 6:43 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/1/2025 8:47 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-01 5:01 PM, moviePig wrote:

>>>>>> A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
>>>>>> as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
>>>>>> fourth, with the headline:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
>>>>>> TRUMP EXCHANGE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
>>>>> exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
>>>>> You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
>>>>> contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
>>>>> Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
>>>>> how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
>>>>> that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
>>>>> going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
>>>>> case....
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]
>>>>
>>>> I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
>>>> relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened with
>>>> -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
>>>> I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
>>>> leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> He does owe Trump an apology.  He was rude, ungracious, and
>>> unthankful.  It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
>>> giving you a ton of money.
>>> 
>>Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in 
>>and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him 
>>to be thankful for that?
>
>Of  course not. Trump planned that attack

PALM BEACH � President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance did not plan to 
tear into Ukrainian President Volodymyr  Zelensky on Friday, senior White House 
officials told The Daily Wire.

Their reactions to the Ukrainian president�s remarks were their genuine 
responses to Zelensky�s �antics and bad behavior,� a senior White House 
official said, noting that the incident was not pre-planned.

�Absolutely not an ambush or pre-planned,� another senior White House official 
shared. �We expected a great day, econ deal signing, and demonstration to the 
world that we are partners� with Ukraine �and leading a movement to peace.�

Zelensky came in with �the same nonsense� that the White House had �been 
dealing with� since Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent went to Kiev, the 
official added. That official described Zelensky�s behavior as �intransigence� 
and �a complete missed opportunity� for Ukraine.

After the skirmish, the United States officials and the Ukrainian officials 
went to separate rooms � and shortly after that, National Security Advisor Mike 
Waltz and Secretary of State Marco Rubio took a message to the Ukrainians: the 
meetings of the day were over, and the Ukrainians needed to depart the White 
House.

�Those around Zelensky seemed desperate to try to find a fix, but were told 
wasn�t gonna happen that day,� the senior White House official explained.

The situation unravelled after Vance backed up the president �in a very 
appropriate way� to a press question, the official said. When Zelensky heard 
the word �diplomacy,� the Ukrainian president �started a downward spiral of 
stupid.� That official noted that Vance and Trump are �100% in sync� and that 
Vance is a �smart fighter and a staunch defender of POTUS.�

After the meeting, Trump announced that he was cancelling the planned press 
conference with Zelensky, declaring the Ukrainian leader �not ready for Peace 
if America is involved.� Zelensky departed shortly after Trump asked him to 
leave, and has headed back overseas to Ukraine.

�We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today,� Trump said in a 
statement on Friday afternoon. �Much was learned that could never be understood 
without conversation under such fire and pressure.�

�It�s amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that 
President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he 
feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations,� Trump 
continued. �I don�t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United 
States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is 
ready for Peace.�

�POTUS and VP were disrespected and right to defend our nation from Zelensky�s 
stupid attitude that is built on years of Biden simply throwing more and more 
American money at UKR with no endgame, no path for victory, and no path for 
peace,� the official argued. �POTUS wants to end a brutal terrible war. It is 
not at all clear to us what Zelensky wants.�

Zelensky, during an interview with Fox News�s Bret Baier on Friday evening, 
thanked Trump and the American people for helping to save his country amid its 
war against Russia. Asked if the United States and Ukraine�s relationship could 
be salvaged after the meeting, he responded: �Yes, of course, because relations 
is more than two presidents. The historical relations, strong relations between 
our people, and that�s why I always begin with to thank your people from our 
people. And this is the most important.�

�And of course, thankful to President and of course Congress, but first of all, 
to your people,� he continued. �Your people helped to save our people.�

�This is very, very important, and we are thankful and sorry for this,� said 
Zelensky. �I mean this, we wanted very much to have only strong relations, and 
I very confident, we will have it.�

A senior White House official told The Daily Wire that the President of the 
United States does indeed really want a deal with Ukraine. Trump wants to keep 
moving Ukraine and Russia �toward peace, to stop the killing, and bring 
stability to Europe,� the official said.

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