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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Israel: sacks of potatoes on a rollar coaster to nowhere.
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 12:35:36 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-03-01, Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl> wrote:
> title: Jacob’s Prophecy: When Will Mashiach Arrive?
> source: Yaakov Meyer
> link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G3sCVR4kCQ
>
>    Reply ...
[...]
> all anymore, thanks to the technology. The world of Shabbat has already
> started. Yet, humans mess it up. The consequences will be horrific,
> and are probably already inevitable (war & tyranny).
>
>    * End reply.

I don't have time for tarrying Jews or lazy dishonest Rabbis, so I
thought I jump back in after as long a time I could wait and call this
person to account ...

   Reply 2x ...

See ? Already another day wasted in the exile, why ? Do you not care about
the obvious truth, or are you still studying the problem or didn't have
time yet, or are you doing your job (as being a Jew) and taking down
the Rabbis wherever you can and you started the Redemption already -
all the liars will be gone !

Do you see it ? You don't even want the truth, peace and Justice
because you are against the Torah, right ? Maybe you will get to the
issue soon, but I already try to get through to these dishonest people
since 2008 (!) and I've almost never seen anyone even daring to reply
to these arguments, let alone do anything useful with it. So, what is
the Redemption for you ? You are all under a death penalty more or less
(and that is potentially more _more_ than less), meaning that if the Torah
where executed on Israel now, then all the Rabbis, all their following,
and everyone else also who likely cares even less, all are under the
death penalty. That is how serious it is, what you have done.

If the Redemption where to break out now, and the Torah would be made law
all of a sudden, then I doubt there would be 1000 persons who survive
it. Should people who do rest on the 7th day be allowed to live ? What
about the problem that they didn't stand up against the Rabbis, allowing
children all over to be taught wrong, how can they accept this illusion
that Rabbis are allowed to make Torah breaking law (on an issue which
is the death penalty even), how can they stand by and let it happen ? If
it isn't a death penalty, then at least banishment ?

You see the point ? The Redemption for people like you and your Rabbis, it
is nothing but a disaster because you cannot be part of a Redemption. You
will all be thrown out, if the Torah is made law. Besides the death
penalty for the Shabbat, the death penalty for Rambam Shemita 10:8 is
(in my opinion) worse. To put it differently: i think Rambam Shemita
10:8 is a worse crime than Rabbinical Shabbat law, which is already a
death sentence (breaking the Shabbat in the evening, pretending that is
law). Rambam Shemita 10:8 is also worse in that it is more clear that it
is fraud, because that is not what the Torah says there obviously. You may
still argue about when it is a new day (I don't think so, but technically
maybe you can argue it). The law of Jubilee however, how what Rambam
writes is a fraud, is completely obvious. Prozbul is probably on the
same level of fraud as Rambam Shemita 10:8, but I think less damaging.

All these people who think they are frum ? Death penalty. All these
Rabbis who pretend "I call upon the Jewish people to do the will of
Hashem !" and who think it is the people who are at fault, it is the
people and not them ? Death penalty. This is how lost the Nation of
Israel is at this point. It is all one big fraud.

It is not so ? We didn't mean it, it wasn't us ? Now we see the Zionist
Rebel State, and we see that you _actually_ did not grant people their
right to land, you _actually_ have overthrown the Jubilee on land even
though you have control over an amount of land in Eretz Yisroel. You
cannot hide from that anymore, because it is a fact, and who protested
it ? A few hundred, years ago ? Several dozen people still have a form
of Kibbutz where they have land ? Then maybe _they_ will survive, but
millions would then still be under the death penalty, if the Torah where
enacted as law and carried out to the fullest of its letter, right now
and no excuses. Rebbes and chief Rabbis ? Death penalty, under the laws
they pretend to uphold (the _written_ Torah).

In all this mess, you then turn around and say: where is 'moshiach',
why is he 'tarrying'. You see how bad this is ? You are delaying the
Redemption right now yourself. It doesn't matter who is 'moshiach' but
it _has_ to be the truth. If you don't care about the truth I write here,
then you will also not be with this 'moshiach' (whomever). _Rather_ than
that you will get mercy for the exile, I think you will be _punished_
even more soon, for the crime of having created the exile. You Israel
created the exile, and that was in itself also a crime. You think that
this is punishment, and while you can look at it that way, it is also
the natural consequences of your lawlessness, your dishonesty, your lack
of care. It is a consequence, like if a burglar cuts his own hand on the
glass he breaks to get in the house to steal. Is that cut a punishment
? If it is bad, the judge might even deduct some punishment later, on
account of this cut, but it is also the natural consequence, something
he created for himself.

The next round of punishment will be 7 times worse, or to put it like so:
the next round of the consequences of breaking the Torah which you have
created for yourself, is going to be 7 times worse. it is both at the same
time, an act of heaven and the consequences of the lawlessness of Israel.

Maybe the whole Redemption should go to the Kairites, and not one
Rabbinical Jew is going to be able to make it, due to their betrayal
and how long they went on with it. You think it won't happen ? Then the
Torah with its punishment section will not be true. You are not waiting on
what the Torah says, you just want another human King, to rage under and
build Empire. Right ? Because that is what's left, after you deducted
the truth off of what is supposed to be the Redemption. You already
have that, called the ZIonist Rebel State, rebels against the Torah,
at war with Justice and Peace.

Not so, the people are nice, you don't even know them ? Why did the army
not show up in any amount of reasonable time on October 7th ? They are
merely Vassals for USA, the world Empire of greed and lying. The whole
thing is a mess, at the root of it, it doesn't work. It seems to work
? For a time things may seem to work, but when they are not set up
correctly, it doesn't last.

  * End reply.

What a dishonest people, what a liars. Then they think they will be
Redeemed, what a fools. I don't see any hope left for this people at
this point, or humanity at large neither, at least not in the current
state before World War 3. They apparently need to see it, feel it, how
truly evil they are, that they have created all this monstrous death and
hell on Earth all over again, for no reason.

Yuk, what a people. What an intellectual dishonesty, what an immorality
to not reply or care for an obvious argument about the Torah. They
certainly do not deserve to be talked to, and so it was completely
correct that there are no more Prophets for Israel, and eventually most
of them will just be punished into non-existing, and that will be the
end for many of them (or so it seems). They think they can sit there,
play all sides, and then they will be saved. It would show they have no
heart, not even a mind either, that they are unreliable and are unfit to
live in the Redemption.

More and more it seems that the worst scenarios are going to come out.
Only a quite small amount of people are going to have the courage,
honesty and good will to break with the long established lying Rabbis
and their fake holiness, to make the Redemption happen. Apparently there
are even sources who make the number very small, like hundreds ?

I still hope it will at least be 600 000, who can make it. If they
refuse after the next round of punishment however, it seems to be over
for now for Israel as a Nation, and may have to restart from individuals.
All in all, this is for now where things are going. They will even fail
after the next round of punishment, and then another round of punishment
will end Israel as a people, and only selected families, mere hundreds
will survive, or who knows.

The reason to think that, is if in all this time of effort these people
cannot work up the basic absolutely basic honesty of admitting the
prozbul is a lie and they will do something against it, and all the
other big Rabbinical crimes they are into (overthrown the Torah economy,
creating the exile), and not even ONE of them wants to be honest (or at
least not one I managed to make the argument with), then what reason
whatsoever is there to think that they will change after the next round
of punishment (7 times worse than the Nazis, hence a 95%-99% death rate) ?
There is no ground to see any hope, no concrete reason to think they
will stop with their blatant lies about the Torah, even though they
themselves are the victims of their own crimes (with the exception of
Rabbis potentially, if they get grants and money from the criminals like
the Rothshild crime family and all their blood money, to keep the scam
going).

Perhaps it is all for the best if Israel almost entirely is wiped out,
in a round of punishment after the next one, and what HKB'H wanted to do
in the first place to make Moshe Rabbeinu the new grand father of the
whole of Israel can then somehow be enacted, preventing future criminal
behavior by the people of Israel who might try to mess up and destroy
the Redemption also all over again. That is not supposed to happen and
would undermine the Prophets and the whole system, leading to potential
catastrophic demoralization, hence the system is in a bind that way.
Either they make it quite soon and forever, or they need to be
neutralized by heaven (which probably means killed).

I have a feeling that they are behaving as if it is not possible for
them to change their opinions on anything. That it is somehow not their
responsibility to stop lying about the Torah, or force their Rabbi to
change his lies, etc. As if someone might have to do that for them, but
so long as that doesn't happen, they just sit there as a rock and it
doesn't even occur to them that what they are doing is their own fault.
It sounds to me like a people who cannot make it into the Redemption
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