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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: Land Acknowledgement at the Oscars
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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in a
>$50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to
>assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to be
>tribal territory.

>She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now
>Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.

>Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of natives
>called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the Tongva.
>The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them. Just
>as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove
>them off, and took this land from them.

>To sum up:

>The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they
>conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before
>them.

>White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
>they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here
>before them.

>So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern
>California, then so are white people.

What the Tongva did was acceptible as at their self celebratory
ceremonies, they too gave a land acknowledgement.