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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: Which code style do you prefer the most? Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 06:12:54 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <vq6250$1nve4$1@dont-email.me> References: <vpkmq0$21php$1@dont-email.me> <vpl62m$250af$1@dont-email.me> <87frk10w51.fsf@onesoftnet.eu.org> <vpn8vs$2jmv1$1@dont-email.me> <vpn92i$86q$1@reader1.panix.com> <vpnfmn$2ksdj$1@dont-email.me> <vpni33$2ld5k$1@dont-email.me> <vpnrld$2mq8h$2@dont-email.me> <vpourn$30a9h$1@dont-email.me> <vpq1es$35inm$1@dont-email.me> <vpr019$3b2ld$1@dont-email.me> <20250228144442.00002037@yahoo.com> <868qpnw2sn.fsf@linuxsc.com> <gRjxP.122767$FVcd.55407@fx10.iad> <8734ftn1fb.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vq5rc8$1j356$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2025 06:13:04 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="29ae02af08ec3a60c85fb374624532ff"; logging-data="1834436"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19TYfvbFDlvoTltvFAZM4ZZ" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:PMw3O34Ov/LUdBYNif8ixId5DxQ= In-Reply-To: <vq5rc8$1j356$6@dont-email.me> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Bytes: 3494 On 04.03.2025 04:17, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 15:23:52 -0800, Keith Thompson wrote: > >> IBM developed 80-column cards, with the same overall size, in the late >> 1920s. Apparently 80 just happened to be the number of rectangular >> holes that could reasonably be accommodated (and it's a nice round >> number). And 80-column video terminals were baed on card sizes (though >> I think some earlier terminals had 40 columns). > > Where did 132-column printers come from? From IBM ? - Or S&H ? Historically there were various types of printers developed that were supporting various number of characters per line. Some printer types, e.g. from IBM, especially the chain-printers that were common in IT, supported 132 characters. - My guess would be that because of IBM's dominance in IT back these days made that a not uncommon choice. Once any (company-)standard is in the world other vendors orient on that. (There have also been other chain-printers with 100 characters/line. And other printer types with yet more variance in characters/line.) Such chain-printer standard might later have influenced also terminals like the VT100 with its 80/132 display modes. (Here we have to also consider the display character masks; it must somehow evenly fit into the sizes and be still readable.) Other factors in printing technology can probably be derived from common paper sizes and the colonial, inch-based units; standards like printers printing 10 characters per inch, or fonts measured in dots per inch. (I'd think quite some quasi-arbitrary numbers can be derived.) WRT chain-printers; the paper width is quite unwieldy for non-IT use. (I suppose they wanted to not restrict possible data output too much.) Linearly calculating down the listing-paper size from its format to Letter format (or DIN A4) will result in values more common for books. Janis