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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 16:08:31 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <vq751g$1t7oc$1@dont-email.me> References: <vq5qqc$1j128$2@dont-email.me> <vq6g9l$1ptg9$2@dont-email.me> <vq722k$1tapm$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2025 16:08:32 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0d7c6140e742b44fca545d1093be5c1e"; logging-data="2006796"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+By0cAzf2MKfexsU/Q1PRj" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:3q+neFNdFMjEi5LlOaD2iR12xwM= In-Reply-To: <vq722k$1tapm$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: nl, en-GB Bytes: 2875 Op 04.mrt.2025 om 15:17 schreef olcott: > On 3/4/2025 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 04:07 schreef olcott: >>> int DD() >>> { >>> int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); >>> if (Halt_Status) >>> HERE: goto HERE; >>> return Halt_Status; >>> } >>> >>> _DD() >>> [00002133] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>> [00002134] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>> [00002136] 51 push ecx ; make space for local >>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD >>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) >>> [00002141] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>> [00002144] 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax >>> [00002147] 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 >>> [0000214b] 7402 jz 0000214f >>> [0000214d] ebfe jmp 0000214d >>> [0000214f] 8b45fc mov eax,[ebp-04] >>> [00002152] 8be5 mov esp,ebp >>> [00002154] 5d pop ebp >>> [00002155] c3 ret >>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] >>> >>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly >>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally. >> I wonder why Olcott keeps repeating that HHH fails to reach the 'ret' >> instruction, where the direct execution or world-class simulators have >> no problem to reach the 'ret' instruction of exactly the same finite >> string as input. > > The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of > exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its > own "ret" instruction. > And that is exactly what Olcott does not show. So, my claim remains: HHH fails to reach the 'ret' instruction, where the direct execution and some world-class simulators have no problem to reach it.