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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: Land Acknowledgement at the Oscars
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 21:02:38 -0000 (UTC)
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On Mar 4, 2025 at 2:02:51 AM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>  The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in
>> a
>>  $50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to
>>  assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to
>> be
>>  tribal territory.
>>  
>>  She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now
>>  Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
>>  
>>  Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of
>> natives
>>  called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the
>> Tongva.
>>  The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them.
>> Just
>>  as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva,
>> drove
>>  them off, and took this land from them.
>>  
>>  To sum up:
>>  
>>  The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
>> they
>>  conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before
>>  them.
>>  
>>  White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
>>  they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here
>>  before them.
>>  
>>  So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern
>>  California, then so are white people.
> 
> Well, you’ve missed an important step in the process. If the Hokan were
> first, then they were raised on site from the mud by their magic juju gods,
> unrelated to mankind.  Presumably this is true of the Tongva as well. Just
> different mud and maybe different gods in a different location. That’s what
> it takes to be indigenous.

Except in Southern California we generally don't have mud and when we do, it's
sliding down hillsides, so anyone raised from it would immediately be killed.