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Subject: Re: Land Acknowledgement at the Oscars
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 16:38:11 -0500
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On 3/3/2025 9:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> The Oscars last night took time out to have Julianne Hough, a white lady in a
> $50,000 ball gown, give one of those insipid "land acknowledgements" to
> assuage their white guilt over having built a civilization on what used to be
> tribal territory.
> 
> She paid respects to the Tongva tribe, which inhabited the area that is now
> Hollywood and lost its land when white people moved in.
> 
> Except the Tongva weren't here first. A previous loose association of natives
> called the Hokan lived on this land for thousands of years before the Tongva.
> The Tongva conquered them, drove them off, and took this land from them. Just
> as hundreds of years later, the European settlers conquered the Tongva, drove
> them off, and took this land from them.
> 
> To sum up:
> 
> The Tongva had been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and they
> conquered the land and killed or displaced the Hokan, who were here before
> them.
> 
> White people have been here for a long time, but they weren't the first, and
> they conquered the land and killed or displaced the Tongva, who were here
> before them.
> 
> So by all relevant standards, if the Tongva are indigenous to Southern
> California, then so are white people.

But it's different when we do it (because we claim to know better).