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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Robert Crimo pleads guilty Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 23:24:07 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <vq822m$230sc$1@dont-email.me> References: <vq7b6l$1ui4i$2@dont-email.me> <vq7rtn$1uj01$1@dont-email.me> <vq7tb3$22aco$1@dont-email.me> <vq802f$22ep4$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 00:24:07 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="79b5dd789721826739d8b033fa9d386f"; logging-data="2196364"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18QMBcoQpBibD3vka/tDvVae8417Z2tfLk=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:4tQD3XoOTiw46XbD13xlAYyi4RY= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Bytes: 2377 Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote: >. . . >Do you have the death penalty in Illinois? I'm guessing not; the article >I read predicted he would never get out of prison but didn't take about >execution. One of our governors who went to prison (George Ryan, Republican, for a significant amount of bribe taking when he was Secretary of State administering driver's services and an unqualified truck driver killed a half dozen people) put a moratorium on the death penalty. It wasn't constitutional but no one had standing to challenge it. Eventually the legislature repealed it. A notorious murder trial, the Ford Heights Four, was the political scandal that led to ending the death penalty. A jury was chosen in violation of the Sixth Amendment (prosecutors had used pre-emptory challenges to eliminate blacks from the jury) and an exculpatory eyewitness statement to police was withheld from the defense. But there were other cases in which there had been a death penalty after an unfair trial for various reasons, or when it had become obvious that the defendants were actually innocent. George Ryan ended up commuting or pardoning a great many men on death row. I still think he was partly motivated to gain sympathy knowing the federal prosecution he was facing. Just think about how corrupt the justice system would have to be for a politician in my state to be forced to do the right thing.