Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Ove Interest?
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 23:21:44 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 42
Message-ID: <vq8jgp$295bb$2@dont-email.me>
References: <9ed2rjdp07d6kh573u6ghkdbcnjt0t1lrt@4ax.com>
 <voro9s$ekdl$1@dont-email.me> <dgc3rjph84p7gn62it0p52thhg0fb9lvvh@4ax.com>
 <82g3rj196rf6gou38ev0k232eu5h419jhp@4ax.com> <votfeh$ns08$3@dont-email.me>
 <k6kxP.210609$TBhc.34557@fx16.iad>
 <tejcsjhsd445f3bt87gmdarnnp6leujk7g@4ax.com> <vq5m03$1i2qm$5@dont-email.me>
 <ufjdsjdobff3b8bmichfnfalngo292r729@4ax.com>
 <gdrdsj1kl1nqot090li0ibqmi6g2nj0rjt@4ax.com> <vq7b0j$1v155$1@dont-email.me>
 <v1eesj1afpl0s266dieqqbf15kkjg986d4@4ax.com>
 <3j3fsjl1o2ve00dbrbqbirg73nmvk5tna0@4ax.com>
Reply-To: frkrygow@gmail.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 05:21:45 +0100 (CET)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e45c4557a9a8cc0980efe60bc42cb36a";
	logging-data="2397547"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/jy/UtmtvBXGopoq0BQ25DYPodgb4s4XA="
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:OiSlOTf3c4svuuZotcZjErs829E=
In-Reply-To: <3j3fsjl1o2ve00dbrbqbirg73nmvk5tna0@4ax.com>
Content-Language: en-US

On 3/4/2025 6:52 PM, John B. wrote:
>  
> The point is that Frank, over and over, has told us that guns in
> houses results in increased home shootings, no, "is", "maybe", "that
> example doesn't count" excuses.

The available data for America clearly shows that. American households 
with guns have a much higher incidence of family members killing family 
members, compared to American households without guns, no matter what 
sort of neighborhood.

That's the data that exactly applies to the point you're addressing. Why 
do you discount that data and go looking for excuses?

> And now, when I mention that Switzerland doesn't have the same
> problem, Suddenly, Frankie comes up with all the  same "is", "Maybe"
> and "don't count" excuse that he has ignored for years.

Look again, John. Switzerland has far fewer guns per person than the 
U.S. Switzerland also has far fewer shooting deaths per person than the 
U.S.

Switzerland has more guns per person than France. Switzerland also has 
more shooting deaths per person than France.

Switzerland has more guns per person than Britain. Switzerland also has 
more shooting deaths per person than Britain.

We can repeat this with the same results for many, many countries. But 
of prosperous "developed" nations, the U.S. is an outlier, both 
regarding number of guns and gun death rates per capita.

> So the real question is "Is Frank simply a confirmed liar"? Or is
> Frank so stupid that he never bothered to actually study the subject
> and just parroted the "party line" as it were?

I'd say the question is "Is John really unable to understand the data?" 
I suspect you're not. Instead, I suspect your deep reverence for guns 
doesn't allow you to even consider data contrary to your position.

-- 
- Frank Krygowski