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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 23:09:42 -0600
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On 3/4/2025 11:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 3/4/25 11:48 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 3/4/2025 10:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 3/4/25 7:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 3/4/2025 5:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 3/4/25 11:11 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 9:08 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 15:17 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 04:07 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> int DD()
>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>>>>>>>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _DD()
>>>>>>>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>>>>>>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>>>>>>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>>>>>>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>>>>>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>>>>>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>>>>>>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>>>>>>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>>>>>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>>>>>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>>>>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>> I wonder why Olcott keeps repeating that HHH fails to reach the 
>>>>>>>>> 'ret' instruction, where the direct execution or world-class 
>>>>>>>>> simulators have no problem to reach the 'ret' instruction of 
>>>>>>>>> exactly the same finite string as input.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of
>>>>>>>> exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its
>>>>>>>> own "ret" instruction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that is exactly what Olcott does not show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Likewise I never attempt to show exactly how
>>>>>> all squares are round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, my claim remains: HHH fails to reach the 'ret' instruction, 
>>>>>>> where the direct execution and some world-class simulators have 
>>>>>>> no problem to reach it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DD calls its own emulator when emulated by HHH.
>>>>>> DD DOES NOT call its own emulator when emulated by HHH1.
>>>>>> DD DOES NOT call its own emulator when directly executed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which just show your stupidity, as DD doesn't HAVE its own 
>>>>> emulator, and CAN'T know who or if it is being emulated.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is not my stupidity it is your dishonestly using
>>>> the straw-man deception to change the subject away from:
>>>>
>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> WHich is the strawman, that you are too stupid to recogines.
>>>
>>
>> I will show that it is not straw-man after you quit
>> dodging that point.
>>
> 
> Wrong order, 

I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY OTHER ORDER

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