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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 23:17:15 -0600
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On 3/4/2025 11:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 3/4/25 11:53 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 3/4/2025 10:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 3/4/25 7:42 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 3/4/2025 5:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 3/4/25 9:32 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 6:29 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/3/25 10:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> int DD()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>>>>>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _DD()
>>>>>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>>>>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>>>>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>>>>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>>>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>>>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>>>>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>>>>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>>>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Proves that the input to HHH(DD) can be rejected as non-halting*
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it proves that the HHH that rejects the input, didn't do a 
>>>>> correct simulation, and thus was looking at the wrong input, 
>>>>> because you don't understand what a program is.
>>>>>
>>>>> DD only is non-halting if *THE* HHH (and there is only one at any 
>>>>> time) never aborts. SInce HHH musts abort its emulation to "reject" 
>>>>> the input, it proves it didn't do the needed correct emulation, and 
>>>>> you are shown to be just a blantant liar.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the HHH that correctly emulated DD, can't be a decider and 
>>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also. "the HHH", defined in your Halt7.c doesn't do that, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of
>>>>>> exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its
>>>>>> own "ret" instruction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Failing to provide the above proves that you are clueless
>>>>>> about this code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I have shown why your logic is wrong, 
>>>>
>>>> If that was true you could show this with
>>>> something besides rhetoric and double-talk.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That you call all I say as just rhetoric just shows how stupid you are.
>>>
>>
>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
>> its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>> AND YOU CAN'T SHOW OTHERWISE
>>
> 
> Right, so any HHH that correctly emulated the input, can't return to its 
> caller, or it would have returned to DD.
> 

That is not yet quite correct and the code
(that you cannot understand) proves otherwise.


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