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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Ove Interest?
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2025 11:41:41 -0500
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On 3/4/2025 11:41 PM, John B. wrote:
> 
> The subject of this post was originally "home shootings" and it
> appears that you are now slip sliding away from this  subject as the
> Swiss data shows that you don't know what you are talking about.
John, YOU were the one who "slip slided" away from data on American home 
shootings, by pivoting to Switzerland gun ownership and shooting deaths. 
You pretended not to notice that Switzerland has far, far lower gun 
ownership rates than the U.S., and also has far lower gun homicide rates 
than the U.S.

Let's "slip slide" back to the question at hand, OK? Does having a gun 
in an American home make the home safer or more dangerous? IOW, does a 
gun make it less likely someone will be shot (presumably by "bad guys") 
or _more_ likely someone will be shot - usually by another member of the 
household?

The answer is: It's not even close. The guns make things more dangerous. 
I've found NO data showing the gun makes a household safer. Instead:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/

"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally 
justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven 
criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.

Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a 
fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide 
attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."

Or https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

"Overall rates of homicide were more than twice as high among 
cohabitants of handgun owners than among cohabitants of nonowners 
(adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). These elevated 
rates were driven largely by higher rates of homicide by firearm 
(adjusted hazard ratio, 2.83 [CI, 2.05 to 3.91]). Among homicides 
occurring at home, cohabitants of owners had sevenfold higher rates of 
being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner..."

I can give more links - not that it will help. But those are two of the 
studies that specifically set out to answer the question at hand. Other 
studies found the same overall facts, and found they were true even in 
"nice" neighborhoods, so don't pretend this is just a slum problem.

These researchers came up with the questions above, and set out to 
gather data and answer them. I've asked you several times how YOU would 
answer the question in a scientific way.

You've failed to answer that. So if you have data showing guns in the 
house make it safer, post links already.

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- Frank Krygowski