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On 05/03/2025 15:42, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 3/5/2025 9:27 AM, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>> On 05/03/2025 13:47, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> But it's changing very quickly. Apple invented
>>> computer cellphones in 2008.
>>
>>
>> Could somebody clarify the exact meaning of "But it's changing very 
>> quickly. Apple invented computer cellphones in 2008"  ?
> 
>    Why did you snip the rest of my description of rapid change?
> Today most people -- as evidenced in this group -- are living
> their lives from a kind of personal control booth, which is their
> cellphone. Computer phones have only existed for about 17 years.
> For much of that time they were limited in both their functionality
> and their ubiquity. Apps were what made them especially useful,
> not phone calls.
> 
>    So, how long have cellphones been assumed as the common
> exchange of social and business interaction? In my experience it's
> only been maybe 5 years since people started asking to text me,
> and getting annoyed when I told them I don't text. 2FA is newer
> still. We've now reached a point where most people assume that
> all other people can be reached anytime by text and are conducting
> their lives via DoorDash, Uber, texting, Venmo, and so on. The
> youngest adults have grown up with virtually no experience
> of solitude, constantly engaged in a social circle.
> 
>    That's what I mean by changing very quickly. As a babyboomer
> who uses a cellphone mainly as a portable phonebooth, the lifestyle
> of GenZ is almost unrecognizable to me. Yet it wasn't even possible
> a few years ago.
> 
>    Uber, DoorDash, Venmo.... Those are all fairly new. The landscape
> of social and business interaction is changing quickly. Without using
> a cellphone, I can't use any of those services. It's a kind of parallel
> world that's gradually becoming the only option. That's what we've
> been talking about. Carlos is saying that already it's nearly impossible
> for him to conduct his basic life without a computer cellphone. For me
> in the US it's not quite so extreme. Aside from a few cellphone addicts
> who want to text me, I have no use for Venmo or Uber. I know
> how to read maps... So there's not much that I'm actually missing in
> practice by not living via cellphone. But most young people now
> would be lost. They'd likely have a mental breakdown simply at being
> disconnected from their social hive, like Star Trek's Borg.
> 



I "snipped out" the rest of your description of rapid change (whatever 
that is) in the hope that somebody might clarify the claim that "Apple 
invented computer cellphones in 2008"