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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: RE: Re: Machine Shop
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2025 14:28:00 -0500
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On 3/5/2025 2:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
> On Mon Feb 24 10:05:41 2025 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:44:02 -0500, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 2/22/2025 1:58 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>>>> Who the hell does he think he's impressi9ng by saying
>>>>> that yhe didn't look down at down tube friction shifters in races
>>>
>>> I'm not impressing anyone, because no one else had to look down either.
>>> If one needed to look down to shift, they shouldn't be racing.
>>
>> My touring bicycle has downtube shifters.  When I was riding it, I
>> would look down before shifting at the start of the ride.  After I
>> became accustomed to its position, I didn't need to look down.  If I
>> adjusted the saddle or handlebars position, I had to start over.  I
>> assume that racers and pros do not tinker with these adjustments prior
>> to a race and would therefore have the time needed to properly find
>> the down tube shifters.
>>
>> In the my computer biz and piano pounding hobby, I've noticed that a
>> fair number of people look at their hands instead of the computer
>> screen or sheet music.  I had both of these problems when I was first
>> learning to type and play.  I've partly fix the keyboard problem and
>> can now type on the letter keys without looking at the keyboard.
>> However, the rows of numbers, function keys and number pad are a lost
>> cause.  I have to look at those.  The problem is that there are far
>> too many different keyboard layouts.  Recognizing the problem, I
>> purchase about 10 Dell SK-81xx mechanical keyboards for use at home
>> and in my former office.
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=dell%20sk-81%3F%3F&udm=2>
>> I can now almost type with my eyes closed.
>>
>> With the piano, the problem was that I play almost totally by ear.  No
>> sheet music.  Therefore, I had no incentive to learn to play by touch
>> or with my eyes closed.  I can play with my eyes closed on my Korg
>> DSS-1 synthesizer, but not on any other piano, organ, etc:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=korg%20dss-1&udm=2>
>>
>> What's happening is that people have varying degrees of hand-eye
>> coordination.  Some people can type or play piano with their eye's
>> closed.  Here's an example of one pianist who can play without looking
>> at his hands:
>> <https://www.youtube.com/@Lord_Vinheteiro/videos>
>> For cycling, the trick is to reduce the number of variables to make
>> shifting easier for the rider.  That means don't move the saddle or
>> shifters, large paddle handles, and lots of practice.
> 
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> Jeff, you didn't need to look down because you were riding in middle gears and not shifting much. You don't know anything about racing and are willing to believe that a 65 year old man who rides 1,500 miles a year can ride 2, 200 miles in one day twice at a 20 mph average on hilly roads.

What 65 year old that you ever knew of only rode 1,500 miles a year but 
rode 2, 200 miles in one day twice at a 20 mph average on hilly roads?
Post links and references.


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