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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Why VAX Was the Ultimate CISC and Not RISC Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2025 21:15:44 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 17 Message-ID: <vqaeu0$2j9k5$1@dont-email.me> References: <vpufbv$4qc5$1@dont-email.me> <2025Mar1.125817@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <jwv34fr442b.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> Injection-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 22:15:45 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e1351d5a21832201830c35837b7e97c3"; logging-data="2729605"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18RzlGsfqXooAno4a9iRAipJglqXcoKNg8=" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0gxFrX+zkpwPYZcB3/Pu2QyQ8E0= Bytes: 1804 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> schrieb: > Anton Ertl [2025-03-01 11:58:17] wrote: >> Bottom line: If you sent, e.g., me and the needed documents back in >> time to the start of the VAX project, and gave me a magic wand that >> would convince the DEC management and workforce that I know how to >> design their next architecture, and how to compiler for it, I would >> give the implementation team RV32GC as architecture to implement, and >> that they should use pipelining for that, and of course also give that >> to the software people. > > I wonder if an RV32GC would be competitive if implemented in the > technology available back in 1977 (when the VAX-11/780 came out, > according to Wikipedia). RISC in general could have been - the 801 (although it was implemented in ECL), HP's first HP-PA, implemented in TTL, and ARM show that.