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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Ove Interest?
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 00:07:01 -0500
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On 3/5/2025 11:38 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 19:31:40 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Ownership of a firearm is one thing but being readily
>> accessible and ready to fire is another. Under many local
>> ordinances, firearms must be locked, which greatly stymies
>> defense when decisions are final in less than a second.

Which reminds me of John's personal tale of a real home invasion. That 
paragraph may explain (in part) why his gun did him no good at all. Only 
the most fearful homeowner would keep his gun on his person just in case 
someone burst into the home.

>> Then there's software. Most firearms owners do not get
>> regular range time and so will more probably fumble away
>> decisive time or even shoot themselves than successfully
>> defend under sudden, immediate attack and under a wave of
>> adrenaline.

Right. And even most target shooting for sport would probably do little 
to prevent that fumbling, because it doesn't usually involve super-fast 
grabbing the gun out of storage, quickly loading it, then quickly 
hitting a target. Practicing skills is a highly specific exercise.

>> And then there's negligence and yes, sadly, would-be
>> defenders do shoot relatives and other innocents after
>> hearing a bump in the night.

And it's not just mistaking innocents by mistake. I'm sure that a much 
larger percentage of intra-household shooting victims are shot 
deliberately. A thug of a husband gets furious at his wife and blows her 
away.

Good points in those three paragraphs.

>> So while I'm generally supportive of firearms for self
>> defense, especially home defense, I recognize this is a
>> varied, complex and unclear area in many aspects.
> 
> I came across this study just the other day
> https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506
> a total of 420 home killing of which 209 were committed by firearm and
> 211 by other means.
> 
> Now, any killing is a terrible thing but one has to view with some
> skepticism someone that ignores the major cause of death to emphasize
> the minor cause.
> 
> Can his motives be viewed as impartial, or simply a means of
> emphasizing his own opinions.

You're dancing away from the question at hand. I said all the data I've 
found indicates a gun in the home makes the occupants less safe, and 
more likely to be shot by that gun.

Your source said the same:  "After controlling for these 
characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly 
and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide 
(adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4). 
Virtually all of this risk involved homicide by a family member or 
intimate acquaintance.
"Conclusions: ... Rather than confer protection, guns kept in the home 
are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family 
member or intimate acquaintance."

You don't seem to realize that you've yet again corroborated my 
position. You're failing at logic, John.

-- 
- Frank Krygowski