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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Why not to make convincing propaganda to get people to peace
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 11:04:54 -0000 (UTC)
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Someone suggested I make some videos ...

One of the things which keeps me away from doing propaganda videos,
is that if people cannot get serious about things in a written form
(be that economics, democracy, peace, or the Tanach in written form,
the _written law_ given by Moshe Rabbeinu), then I do not see the hope
for them one way or the other. If we take the Torah, it is quite clear
what it means. If nevertheless people support either Roman idolatry or
Rabbinical Judaism, they made their choices against Justice and peace,
and I don't see the hope for them anymore. The level of dishonesty is
just too great, and if it isn't a moral failure then it has to be an
intellectual failure, and either is so severe that I do not think such
people can make a Nation succeed in the long term. They belong back in
the Stone Age, where the damage they are doing will at least be limited
by the tools they possess.

To make this a bit more clear: when a Nation is set right by events
such as with Moshe Rabbeinu, if an injustice comes up in the people,
if something bad has happened and the victim is asking for Justice, then
what level of effort is reasonable for such a person to undertake ? It
should be enough to just talk about it, and get people on the case. Talk
is words. Written words are also words. In the case of illegal law making
(such as by Roman idolators or Rabbis, which they have done and which
has ruined Israel and will probably cause the near complete destruction
of Israel in the coming decades I think), it is even simpler because
you don't even have to investigate any facts. It's simply a matter of
law on its own, as rules and principles.

I think it cannot be expected from a victim of some crime, that they
need to argue their case relentlessly for years and even decades,
to launch entire platforms and video propaganda efforts, simply to be
heard and at least investigated, never mind even get the issue resolved
correctly. Therefore I think, if people want to be _this dishonest_
with the Tanach (as they have been now since they have overthrown the
Jubilee), then they are showing that they are incapable of living under
Justice and Peace. If they get tricked into it by convincing videos,
you get people in that Redeemed Nation (of Israel in this case, but
whichever), who may generally do a few things right, but who lack the
morality, the care, the intelligence, to keep things going correctly or
even right away they will start ignoring the pleading of the victims of
various crimes that will likely happen (be that crimes from Jewish to
Jewish person, or gentile to Jewish or whatever the case may be). They
cannot handle it, or you could say, they don't "deserve it".

They don't deserve to be Redeemed, if they cannot handle correctly
a simple argument in written form, such as these comments. This is
already more than enough in that sense, the comments I wrote here on
youtube. They can read them, investigate, and get into action, and the
Redemption might already be well under way because of just that. It is
not useful to entice people who do not really want peace with convincing
products, because you get a group of incompetent people together to do
a job they don't want to see through.

This is the moral and practical problem I see with this thing of making
propaganda. If there are people who want to read and start to care,
then you have selected those who are capable and who can make it a
success. These people unfortunately do not seem to exist. If that is
the case, then the solution for this world is to go back to the Stone
Age or perhaps early farming where they can try to learn everything all
over again, which at least is better than to face the high technological
Dystopia which is now being build.

The Torah is the same: it is a written law. Moshe Rabbeinu hacked out some
plates (or however). Words written in stone, and that was what they got
away with. The God of Israel also apparently spoke words, and although
this came with great might (so the story goes), it was still words. You
can also see it this way: back then they where to an extend forced,
but that is not good enough to proof they want peace. They still need
to pass another test, which is if they can care when there is no force
upon them whatsoever. If they can pass that test, they can live forever
as a people, with peace and justice. They then have what it takes to
keep their Nation in good order.

This test they have currently failed, perhaps not entirely as there
are still a few scraps and pieces of Torah and peace going around, but
it is quite thin and not serious anymore. They are not serious anymore
(if they ever where). The catastrophy will be extreme. They have brought
it upon themselves.

In the end, I might still try something in the way of videos, perhaps
even making it not too convincing even on purpose, so that only the good
and caring will select themselves, and the rest will be left with the
extremely well designed propaganda of the enemy (which currently is the
USA global Empire of crime and deception, sold as freedom and democracy).

If they "wait for moshiach" to solve their problems for them, than
I believe that this implies failure. They should act for Justice &
Peace, yet they sit on their hands waiting on some idol to solve their
problems. This is how they are selecting themselves out to either belong
or be cast out of the eventual Redemption, I guess. Not many are likely
to make it at this point, perhaps even no more than eventually a few
dozen. That would be for later however, as the next round of punishment
might not yet cut the Jewish people down to such an extreme, since 7
times the Nazi holocaust might imply "merely" a 95% to 99% death rate
of the Jewish population (7 times a third or half).
 
  * End reply.

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