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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 14:16:35 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 94 Message-ID: <vqcvr3$34c3r$4@dont-email.me> References: <vq5qqc$1j128$2@dont-email.me> <vq6g9l$1ptg9$2@dont-email.me> <vq722k$1tapm$1@dont-email.me> <vq751g$1t7oc$1@dont-email.me> <vq78ni$1u8bl$3@dont-email.me> <5e786c32c2dcc88be50183203781dcb6a5d8d046@i2pn2.org> <vq866t$23nt0$1@dont-email.me> <2002d599ebdfb7cd5a023881ab2faca9801b219d@i2pn2.org> <vq8l3d$29b9l$1@dont-email.me> <4426787ad065bfd0939e10b937f3b8b2798d0578@i2pn2.org> <vq8mam$29b9l$5@dont-email.me> <920b573567d204a5c792425b09097d79ee098fa5@i2pn2.org> <vq9lvn$2ei4j$3@dont-email.me> <4453bc0c1141c540852ea2223a7fedefc93f564c@i2pn2.org> <vqadoh$2ivg7$2@dont-email.me> <vqae74$2ivcn$1@dont-email.me> <3d74bde656131ddb2a431901b3a0aeeb71649e70@i2pn2.org> <vqb9ao$2mueq$6@dont-email.me> <vqbp6h$2td95$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2025 21:16:36 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="566f246a75be3c19f962b78108481d73"; logging-data="3289211"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18gj2O04JO/NmRSbrmH1sm9" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:v5Koc5Ob4vsDALMu3b3ZtvLn/b4= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250306-6, 3/6/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <vqbp6h$2td95$2@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 6136 On 3/6/2025 3:17 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 06.mrt.2025 om 05:46 schreef olcott: >> On 3/5/2025 5:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 3/5/25 4:03 PM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 3/5/2025 3:55 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 3/5/2025 10:14 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Wed, 05 Mar 2025 08:10:00 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 6:19 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/5/25 12:09 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 11:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 11:48 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 10:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 7:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 5:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 11:11 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 9:08 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 15:17 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 04:07 schreef olcott: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, my claim remains: HHH fails to reach the 'ret' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the direct execution and some world-class >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulators have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no problem to reach it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD calls its own emulator when emulated by HHH. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD DOES NOT call its own emulator when emulated by HHH1. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD DOES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT call its own emulator when directly executed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which just show your stupidity, as DD doesn't HAVE its own >>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulator, and CAN'T know who or if it is being emulated. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not my stupidity it is your dishonestly using the >>>>>>>>>>>>> straw-man >>>>>>>>>>>>> deception to change the subject away from: >>>>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own >>>>>>>>>>>>> "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction and terminate normally. >>>>>>>>>>>> WHich is the strawman, that you are too stupid to recogines. >>>>>>>>>>> I will show that it is not straw-man after you quit dodging that >>>>>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>>>> Wrong order, >>>>>>>>> I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY OTHER ORDER >>>>>>>> In other words, you CAN'T handle any other order, even though >>>>>>>> logically >>>>>>>> requried, because you need to hide your fraud. >>>>>>> My proof requires a specific prerequisite order. >>>>>>> One cannot learn algebra before one has learned to count to ten. >>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "ret" >>>>>>> instruction and terminate normally. >>>>>>> Is the first step of the mandatory prerequisite order of my proof >>>>>> What is the next step? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach* >>>>> *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally* >>>>> >>>>> It has taken two years to create this first step such that it >>>>> is the the simplest way to state the key element of the >>>>> whole proof and make this element impossible to correctly refute. >>>>> >>>>> EVERY ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AWAY FROM THIS POINT >>>>> IS DISHONEST. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Before agreeing on an answer, it is first required to agree on the >>>> question. >>> >>> Which is the problem, since you don't have the correct question. >>> >>> If HHH is a Halt Decider / Termination analyzer, the ONLY behavior >>> that matters is the behavior of the directly executed program whose >>> description is provided. >>> >> >> That is a stupid thing to say. >> HHH computes the mapping to a return value on the >> basis of what its finite string INPUT specifies. >> >> THIS IS WHAT IT SPECIFIES >> *DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach* >> *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally* > Yes, that is what HHH reports: I cannot complete the simulation up to > the end. No more, no less. > There are easier ways to make a program to report the failure of a > simulation. The finite string of DD correctly emulated by HHH specifies recursive emulation that cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction BECAUSE IT SPECIFIES RECURSINVE EMULATION. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer