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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 15:02:59 -0600
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On 3/6/2025 2:28 PM, dbush wrote:
> On 3/6/2025 3:16 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 3/6/2025 3:17 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 06.mrt.2025 om 05:46 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 3/5/2025 5:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 3/5/25 4:03 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 3:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 10:14 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 05 Mar 2025 08:10:00 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 6:19 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/25 12:09 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 11:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 11:48 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 10:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 7:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 5:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 11:11 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 9:08 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 15:17 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 04:07 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, my claim remains: HHH fails to reach the 'ret' 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the direct execution and some world-class 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulators have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no problem to reach it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD calls its own emulator when emulated by HHH.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD DOES NOT call its own emulator when emulated by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH1. DD DOES
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT call its own emulator when directly executed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which just show your stupidity, as DD doesn't HAVE its own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulator, and CAN'T know who or if it is being emulated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not my stupidity it is your dishonestly using the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straw-man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deception to change the subject away from:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own "ret"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHich is the strawman, that you are too stupid to recogines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will show that it is not straw-man after you quit dodging 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong order,
>>>>>>>>>>> I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY OTHER ORDER
>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you CAN'T handle any other order, even though 
>>>>>>>>>> logically
>>>>>>>>>> requried, because you need to hide your fraud.
>>>>>>>>> My proof requires a specific  prerequisite order.
>>>>>>>>> One cannot learn algebra before one has learned to count to ten.
>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "ret"
>>>>>>>>> instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>> Is the first step of the mandatory prerequisite order of my proof
>>>>>>>> What is the next step?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach*
>>>>>>> *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has taken two years to create this first step such that it
>>>>>>> is the the simplest way to state the key element of the
>>>>>>> whole proof and make this element impossible to correctly refute.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> EVERY ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AWAY FROM THIS POINT
>>>>>>> IS DISHONEST.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before agreeing on an answer, it is first required to agree on the 
>>>>>> question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is the problem, since you don't have the correct question.
>>>>>
>>>>> If HHH is a Halt Decider / Termination analyzer, the ONLY behavior 
>>>>> that matters is the behavior of the directly executed program whose 
>>>>> description is provided.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is a stupid thing to say.
>>>> HHH computes the mapping to a return value on the
>>>> basis of what its finite string INPUT specifies.
>>>>
>>>> THIS IS WHAT IT SPECIFIES
>>>> *DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach*
>>>> *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally*
>>> Yes, that is what HHH reports: I cannot complete the simulation up to 
>>> the end. No more, no less.
>>> There are easier ways to make a program to report the failure of a 
>>> simulation.
>>
>> The finite string of replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional 
>> simulator and subsequently running HHH(DD)
>> specifies recursive emulation that cannot possibly
>> reach its own "ret" instruction BECAUSE IT SPECIFIES
>> RECURSINVE EMULATION.
>>
> 
> Makes sense

Whether or not the code of HHH is replaced
DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.

In the latter case HHH can (and does) report that
its input finite string specifies a non-terminating
sequence of instructions.

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