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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 20:54:24 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 112 Message-ID: <vqdn50$380b4$1@dont-email.me> References: <vq5qqc$1j128$2@dont-email.me> <vq6g9l$1ptg9$2@dont-email.me> <vq722k$1tapm$1@dont-email.me> <vq751g$1t7oc$1@dont-email.me> <vq78ni$1u8bl$3@dont-email.me> <5e786c32c2dcc88be50183203781dcb6a5d8d046@i2pn2.org> <vq866t$23nt0$1@dont-email.me> <2002d599ebdfb7cd5a023881ab2faca9801b219d@i2pn2.org> <vq8l3d$29b9l$1@dont-email.me> <4426787ad065bfd0939e10b937f3b8b2798d0578@i2pn2.org> <vq8mam$29b9l$5@dont-email.me> <920b573567d204a5c792425b09097d79ee098fa5@i2pn2.org> <vq9lvn$2ei4j$3@dont-email.me> <4453bc0c1141c540852ea2223a7fedefc93f564c@i2pn2.org> <vqadoh$2ivg7$2@dont-email.me> <vqae74$2ivcn$1@dont-email.me> <vqag6q$2jief$1@dont-email.me> <500045f9223c5ab455ca73a046d61ddd5122db2e@i2pn2.org> <vqb9fi$2mueq$7@dont-email.me> <7c141f3bbc815bd533b7f7cb62fccd68c7297b1b@i2pn2.org> <vqd35l$34sev$2@dont-email.me> <9de4f5fb186e935ff0a10420c69e919cdff3da64@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2025 03:54:29 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="37f702c46a2fdca1e959530ddf954f17"; logging-data="3408228"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18lBZWGkX3AyaR37GwBLmTp" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:abcSBTd+nZr4mmOCxHJl+XBs4LY= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250306-6, 3/6/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <9de4f5fb186e935ff0a10420c69e919cdff3da64@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 6940 On 3/6/2025 6:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/6/25 4:13 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/6/2025 6:36 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 3/5/25 11:48 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 3/5/2025 5:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 3/5/25 4:37 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 3/5/2025 3:03 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 3:55 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 10:14 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 05 Mar 2025 08:10:00 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 6:19 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/25 12:09 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 11:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 11:48 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 10:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 7:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 5:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 11:11 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 9:08 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 15:17 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 04:07 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, my claim remains: HHH fails to reach the 'ret' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the direct execution and some world-class >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulators have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no problem to reach it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD calls its own emulator when emulated by HHH. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD DOES NOT call its own emulator when emulated by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH1. DD DOES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT call its own emulator when directly executed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which just show your stupidity, as DD doesn't HAVE its own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulator, and CAN'T know who or if it is being emulated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not my stupidity it is your dishonestly using the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straw-man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deception to change the subject away from: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction and terminate normally. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHich is the strawman, that you are too stupid to recogines. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will show that it is not straw-man after you quit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dodging that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong order, >>>>>>>>>>>> I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY OTHER ORDER >>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you CAN'T handle any other order, even though >>>>>>>>>>> logically >>>>>>>>>>> requried, because you need to hide your fraud. >>>>>>>>>> My proof requires a specific prerequisite order. >>>>>>>>>> One cannot learn algebra before one has learned to count to ten. >>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own "ret" >>>>>>>>>> instruction and terminate normally. >>>>>>>>>> Is the first step of the mandatory prerequisite order of my proof >>>>>>>>> What is the next step? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach* >>>>>>>> *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It has taken two years to create this first step such that it >>>>>>>> is the the simplest way to state the key element of the >>>>>>>> whole proof and make this element impossible to correctly refute. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> EVERY ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AWAY FROM THIS POINT >>>>>>>> IS DISHONEST. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before agreeing on an answer, it is first required to agree on >>>>>>> the question. >>>>>> >>>>>> *DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach* >>>>>> *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally* >>>>> >>>>> Right, and thus any HHH that does a correct emulation can not >>>>> return to its caller, >>>> >>>> We have been over this point too many times you are >>>> just a liar. Liar and Christian is a combination with >>>> very bad consequences. >>>> >>> >>> You have said that many times, but you can't actually show what is >>> wrong with it. >> >> A simulating termination analyzer HHH correctly simulates >> its input finite string DD until it correctly determine >> that DD cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction >> and terminate normally. >> >> HHH does not stupidly get stuck in non-halting behavior >> as you suggest that it should. >> >> > > Right, but until it *CORRECTLY* determines that the ACTUAL PROGRAM DD You are dishonestly trying to get away with dodging the first step of my airtight proof: *DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach* *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally* The more that people dodge this point the more dishonest they will seem to unbiased reviewers. Since you know that dishonestly has eternal consequences I am puzzled by your behavior. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer