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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2025 22:03:39 -0600
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On 3/6/2025 9:40 PM, dbush wrote:
> On 3/6/2025 8:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 3/6/2025 3:18 PM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 3/6/2025 4:17 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 3/6/2025 3:15 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>> On 3/6/2025 4:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/6/2025 2:28 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/6/2025 3:16 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2025 3:17 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Op 06.mrt.2025 om 05:46 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 5:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/25 4:03 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 3:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 10:14 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 05 Mar 2025 08:10:00 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 6:19 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/25 12:09 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 11:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 11:48 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 10:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 7:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 5:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/25 11:11 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 9:08 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 15:17 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 3:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 04.mrt.2025 om 04:07 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, my claim remains: HHH fails to reach the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'ret' instruction,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the direct execution and some world-class 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulators have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no problem to reach it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD calls its own emulator when emulated by HHH.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD DOES NOT call its own emulator when emulated 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by HHH1. DD DOES
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT call its own emulator when directly executed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which just show your stupidity, as DD doesn't HAVE 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulator, and CAN'T know who or if it is being 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emulated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not my stupidity it is your dishonestly using 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the straw-man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deception to change the subject away from:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its own "ret"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHich is the strawman, that you are too stupid to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recogines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will show that it is not straw-man after you quit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dodging that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong order,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY OTHER ORDER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you CAN'T handle any other order, even 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though logically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requried, because you need to hide your fraud.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My proof requires a specific  prerequisite order.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One cannot learn algebra before one has learned to count 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ten.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own "ret"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the first step of the mandatory prerequisite order of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the next step?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has taken two years to create this first step such that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the the simplest way to state the key element of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole proof and make this element impossible to correctly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> refute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVERY ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AWAY FROM THIS POINT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IS DISHONEST.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Before agreeing on an answer, it is first required to agree 
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the question.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which is the problem, since you don't have the correct question.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If HHH is a Halt Decider / Termination analyzer, the ONLY 
>>>>>>>>>>> behavior that matters is the behavior of the directly 
>>>>>>>>>>> executed program whose description is provided.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is a stupid thing to say.
>>>>>>>>>> HHH computes the mapping to a return value on the
>>>>>>>>>> basis of what its finite string INPUT specifies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS WHAT IT SPECIFIES
>>>>>>>>>> *Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and 
>>>>>>>>>> subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly reach*
>>>>>>>>>> *its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally*
>>>>>>>>> Yes, that is what HHH reports: I cannot complete the simulation 
>>>>>>>>> up to the end. No more, no less.
>>>>>>>>> There are easier ways to make a program to report the failure 
>>>>>>>>> of a simulation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The finite string of replacing the code of HHH with an 
>>>>>>>> unconditional simulator and subsequently running HHH(DD)
>>>>>>>> specifies recursive emulation that cannot possibly
>>>>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction BECAUSE IT SPECIFIES
>>>>>>>> RECURSINVE EMULATION.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Makes sense
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether or not the code of HHH is replaced
>>>>>> Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and 
>>>>>> subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly reach
>>>>>> its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that makes sense.  Now what?
>>>>
>>>> BF Skinner's extinction
>>>>
>>>
>>> You wanted people to accept that 
>>
>> Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and 
>> subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly
>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>
> 
> Which we accept.  So what's next?

DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally



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