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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 19:48:42 -0600
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On 3/7/2025 10:23 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 07.mrt.2025 om 16:22 schreef olcott:
>> On 3/7/2025 3:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 06.mrt.2025 om 21:11 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 3/6/2025 2:02 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-04 14:26:39 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 4:36 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-04 03:07:56 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> int DD()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>>>>>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _DD()
>>>>>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>>>>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>>>>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>>>>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>>>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>>>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>>>>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>>>>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>>>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of
>>>>>>>> exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its
>>>>>>>> own "ret" instruction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The question whether DD emulated by HHH exists is too 
>>>>>>> uninteresting that
>>>>>>> it would need a rebuttal, and so is the question that does it 
>>>>>>> reach its
>>>>>>> "ret" instruction if it exsists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>> *Proves that the input to HHH(DD) can be rejected as non-halting*
>>>>>
>>>>> As "DD correctly emulated by HHH" does not exist 
>>>>
>>>> *No one has made any attempt to show that*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no proof that it does exist. 
>>
>> Failing to understand this code is less than no rebuttal at all.
>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c
>> Failing to understand that no HHH can correctly simulate itself is no 
> rebuttal at all.

Failing to understand that Fred. Zwarts is only
a not very bright bot is my mistake.

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