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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
 rebuttals ---PSR---
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 08:06:04 -0600
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On 3/8/2025 3:17 AM, joes wrote:
> Am Fri, 07 Mar 2025 21:40:56 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>> On 3/7/2025 8:23 PM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 3/7/2025 9:19 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/2025 7:52 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>> On 3/7/2025 8:49 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/7/2025 10:25 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 07.mrt.2025 om 16:17 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 3/7/2025 2:59 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Op 06.mrt.2025 om 21:13 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2025 3:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Op 06.mrt.2025 om 04:53 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 9:31 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 10:17 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 7:10 PM, dbush wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you know that what you're working on has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with the halting problem, but you don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY BULLSHIT DEFLECTION.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have proven that you know these things pretty well SO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> QUIT THE SHIT!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want people to accept that HHH(DD) does in fact report
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that changing the code of HHH to an unconditional simulator
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and running HHH(DD) will not halt.
>>>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own
>>>>>>>>>>>> "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we agree that HHH fails to reach the 'ret' instruction,
>>>>>>>>>> Despicably dishonest attempt at the straw-man deception.
>>>>>>>>> No rebuttal. So, we agree that HHH fails to reach the 'ret'
>>>>>>>>> instruction.
>>>>>>>> Not at all. Trying to get away with changing the subject WILL NOT
>>>>>>>> BE TOLERATED.
>>>>>>> If you do not agree that HHH fails to reach the 'ret' instruction
>>>>>>> (that world-class simulators do reach, just as the direct execution
>>>>>>> does), show how it reaches the 'ret' instruction.
>>>>>> *set X*
>>>>>> When-so-ever any input to any simulating termination analyzer calls
>>>>>> the simulator that is simulating itself
>>>>> Not an issue, since termination analyzers don't exist.
>>>> I thought that you demonstrated knowledge of these things.
>>>> Maybe I was wrong.
>>> We know termination analyzers don't exist because no algorithm exists
>>> that maps the halting function:
>>> (<X>,Y) maps to 1 if and only if X(Y) halts when executed directly
>>> (<X>,Y) maps to 0 if and only if X(Y) does not halt when executed
>>> directly
>> Automated Termination Analysis of C Programs
>> https://publications.rwth-aachen.de/record/972440/files/972440.pdf
>> AProVE seems to be the leading authority on what you say DOES NOT EXIST
> It isn't claimed to be total. Have you tried running it on itself or
> on a program similar to DD (instead of calling HHH, ...)?
> 

Termination analyzers are not required to be infallible.

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