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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
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Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 08:32:34 -0600
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On 3/8/2025 2:59 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 08.mrt.2025 om 02:57 schreef olcott:
>> On 3/7/2025 10:35 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 07.mrt.2025 om 16:34 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 3/7/2025 9:18 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 07.mrt.2025 om 15:58 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 3/7/2025 2:26 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-03-06 20:11:34 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2025 2:02 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-04 14:26:39 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/4/2025 4:36 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-04 03:07:56 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> int DD()
>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>>>>>>>>>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>>>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _DD()
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of
>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its
>>>>>>>>>>>> own "ret" instruction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The question whether DD emulated by HHH exists is too 
>>>>>>>>>>> uninteresting that
>>>>>>>>>>> it would need a rebuttal, and so is the question that does it 
>>>>>>>>>>> reach its
>>>>>>>>>>> "ret" instruction if it exsists.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>>>>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>>> *Proves that the input to HHH(DD) can be rejected as non-halting*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As "DD correctly emulated by HHH" does not exist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *No one has made any attempt to show that*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe not. Perhaps every demonstration of that was just a 
>>>>>>> byproduct of
>>>>>>> some other attempt. Anyway, HHH does not emulate DD correctly to 
>>>>>>> the end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simulating termination analyzer HHH simulates its input DD until 
>>>>>> HHH correctly determines that DD cannot possibly reach its own 
>>>>>> "return" instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>> Indeed, HHH reports that it cannot possibly perform a complete 
>>>>> (correct) simulation of itself.
>>>>> This is the only possible correct interpretation of the result of HHH.
>>>>> Any other interpretation has no grounds.
>>>>
>>>> No matter how many times you stupidly ignore the verified
>>>> fact that DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation this does
>>>> not change the fact that DD cannot possibly reach its own
>>>> "ret" instruction because it calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation.
>>>>
>>> Why do you ignore the fact that that we agree that HHH fails to reach 
>>> the 'ret' instruction after a finite recursion?
>>> Agreeing is not a rebuttal.
>>> We agree that HHH correctly reports that it cannot possibly reach the 
>>> 'ret' instruction and that it aborted the simulation before the 
>>> simulation has been completed correctly.
>>
>> A smart bot knows better than this.
> 
> Why do you have a problem with my agreement?
> We agree that HHH correctly reports that it cannot possibly reach the 
> 'ret' instruction and that it aborted the simulation before the 
> simulation has been completed correctly.
> I only wonder what you are going to do with this result.
> 
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/ 
>> publication/385090708_ChatGPT_Analyzes_Simulating_Termination_Analyzer
> Irrelevant! Such smart bots can be trained by an idiot to say anything 
> he likes.
> 

ChagtGPT 100% totally understand my simplified proof in
its own words. It shows the details of the error of
any rebuttal.

China tried to get their own Chatbot to censor its output
and still spilled the beans about Tiananmen square.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/28/we-tried-out-deepseek-it-works-well-until-we-asked-it-about-tiananmen-square-and-taiwan



HH DOES REACH ITS OWN "ret" INSTRUCTION AND TERMINATE NORMALLY.
That your skills are insufficient to see that the source-code of
HHH proves this is far less than no rebuttal at all.

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