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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Hit and run of multiple cyclists
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 09:41:04 -0600
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On 3/7/2025 10:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 21:53:03 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/7/2025 9:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 3/7/2025 9:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/2025 7:06 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:09:25 -0600, AMuzi
>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-
>>>>>> plows-into- bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-
>>>>>> heights/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with
>>>>> "immigrants" is
>>>>> somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They"
>>>>> knew more
>>>>> about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)
>>>>
>>>> Illegals have more motivation!
>>>
>>> So do legal immigrants, which should be no surprise.
>>>
>>
>> As is often said, liars need excellent memories to keep
>> their stories straight.
>>
>> My broad experience with immigrants among my family,
>> employees and customers I can't say they concerned
>> themselves much with various 'rights' they could falsely
>> claim. They just had their papers in order. And slept well.
> 
> That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via
> Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of Senator Joe
> McCarthy and the Red (Russian) Scare:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
> the HUAC:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee>
> and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From my parents
> point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the
> committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII.  If
> you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist,
> you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person,
> and deported to some place unpleasant.
> <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/denounce>
> "to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities,
> especially illegal political activities"
> 
> No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA,
> this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and friends were
> seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I really didn't
> understand what was happening, I just followed their example.  For a
> time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in
> authority, etc.
> 
> My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an
> American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans,
> instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the
> right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write
> English and understand American slang.  At the time, I was a 5+ year
> old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to
> communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the
> Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to
> only speak English.  My original native languages were German and
> Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at
> a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
> nothing".
> 
> This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the immigrants spoke
> about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong
> countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights in the USA
> seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not
> believe that it was possible.  I was told that one immigrant received
> a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents caught up with him
> as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the
> country.  He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown
> in an American concentration camp.
> 
> I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do
> whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers.  I
> think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very
> traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations.
> It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things.
> 
> 

Not discounting their fears, nor official excess, there was 
an actual problem, if not crisis.  Not only Harry Hopkins 
and the Rosenbergs, but Alger Hiss's payroll records and 
reports to Moscow were brought to light in the Venona Papers 
in the 1990s along with hundreds of other Soviet agents 
inside the US military and government.

Sen McCarthy was an asshole and insufferable and a drunk, 
but he actually was right on that point.

And for general ineptitude, a few hundred Nazis in Alabama 
were designing and building our military missiles and space 
program at the same time.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971