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Subject: Re: Hit and run of multiple cyclists
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 13:00:35 -0500
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On 3/8/2025 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 3/8/2025 9:04 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/7/2025 10:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via
>>> Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of Senator Joe
>>> McCarthy and the Red (Russian) Scare:
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
>>> the HUAC:
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee>
>>> and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From my parents
>>> point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the
>>> committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII.  If
>>> you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist,
>>> you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person,
>>> and deported to some place unpleasant.
>>> <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/denounce>
>>> "to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities,
>>> especially illegal political activities"
>>>
>>> No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA,
>>> this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and friends were
>>> seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I really didn't
>>> understand what was happening, I just followed their example.  For a
>>> time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in
>>> authority, etc.
>>>
>>> My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an
>>> American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans,
>>> instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the
>>> right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write
>>> English and understand American slang.  At the time, I was a 5+ year
>>> old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to
>>> communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the
>>> Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to
>>> only speak English.  My original native languages were German and
>>> Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at
>>> a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
>>> nothing".
>>>
>>> This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the immigrants spoke
>>> about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong
>>> countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights in the USA
>>> seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not
>>> believe that it was possible.  I was told that one immigrant received
>>> a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents caught up with him
>>> as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the
>>> country.  He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown
>>> in an American concentration camp.
>>>
>>> I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do
>>> whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers.  I
>>> think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very
>>> traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations.
>>> It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
>>
>> All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning of the 1900s, 
>> lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke little English. They were 
>> Resident Aliens, not citizens, all their lives. (in the 20th century, 
>> aliens had to register annually but there were few or no other 
>> impediments to their lives).
>>
>> In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the President, as 
>> my grandfather's work was cut to half time and he was very close to 
>> losing his house for nonpayment. She was a sixth grader and the only 
>> person in the family with adequate English. By whatever good luck, 
>> their mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings voted 
>> straight democrat all their lives.
>>
>> p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My father, the 
>> youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did not.
> 
> My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones arrived. They did 
> become citizens, but they certainly suffered discrimination.
> 
>> Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's efforts are 
>> illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.
> 
> There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and even U.S. 
> citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment because they didn't look 
> "American" enough - IOW white enough.

Not tales, documented incidents:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest-puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9

"They did not ask me for documentation for my American workers, 
Portuguese workers, or white workers,"





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