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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Hit and run of multiple cyclists
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 12:42:41 -0600
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On 3/8/2025 12:00 PM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 3/8/2025 12:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 3/8/2025 9:04 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 3/7/2025 10:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in 
>>>> the USA via
>>>> Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of 
>>>> Senator Joe
>>>> McCarthy and the Red (Russian) Scare:
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
>>>> the HUAC:
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un- 
>>>> American_Activities_Committee>
>>>> and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From 
>>>> my parents
>>>> point of view, and from that of most immigrants from 
>>>> Europe, the
>>>> committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done 
>>>> before WWII.  If
>>>> you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or 
>>>> even a pacifist,
>>>> you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some 
>>>> random person,
>>>> and deported to some place unpleasant.
>>>> <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/ 
>>>> denounce>
>>>> "to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal 
>>>> activities,
>>>> especially illegal political activities"
>>>>
>>>> No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants 
>>>> to the USA,
>>>> this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and 
>>>> friends were
>>>> seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I 
>>>> really didn't
>>>> understand what was happening, I just followed their 
>>>> example.  For a
>>>> time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, 
>>>> officials, anyone in
>>>> authority, etc.
>>>>
>>>> My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" 
>>>> and become an
>>>> American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like 
>>>> Americans,
>>>> instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and 
>>>> the knife in the
>>>> right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read 
>>>> and write
>>>> English and understand American slang.  At the time, I 
>>>> was a 5+ year
>>>> old and had no difficulty learning all the languages 
>>>> required to
>>>> communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and 
>>>> of course, the
>>>> Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made 
>>>> it a point to
>>>> only speak English.  My original native languages were 
>>>> German and
>>>> Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors 
>>>> at home or at
>>>> a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English 
>>>> or say
>>>> nothing".
>>>>
>>>> This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the 
>>>> immigrants spoke
>>>> about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the 
>>>> wrong
>>>> countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights 
>>>> in the USA
>>>> seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they 
>>>> literally did not
>>>> believe that it was possible.  I was told that one 
>>>> immigrant received
>>>> a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents 
>>>> caught up with him
>>>> as he was busy disposing of his possessions and 
>>>> preparing to leave the
>>>> country.  He explained that it was better to leave than 
>>>> to get thrown
>>>> in an American concentration camp.
>>>>
>>>> I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer 
>>>> to do
>>>> whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered 
>>>> computers.  I
>>>> think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can 
>>>> be a very
>>>> traumatic experience, full of bad information and 
>>>> misinterpretations.
>>>> It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to 
>>>> explain things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
>>>
>>> All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning 
>>> of the 1900s, lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke 
>>> little English. They were Resident Aliens, not citizens, 
>>> all their lives. (in the 20th century, aliens had to 
>>> register annually but there were few or no other 
>>> impediments to their lives).
>>>
>>> In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the 
>>> President, as my grandfather's work was cut to half time 
>>> and he was very close to losing his house for nonpayment. 
>>> She was a sixth grader and the only person in the family 
>>> with adequate English. By whatever good luck, their 
>>> mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings 
>>> voted straight democrat all their lives.
>>>
>>> p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My 
>>> father, the youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did 
>>> not.
>>
>> My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones 
>> arrived. They did become citizens, but they certainly 
>> suffered discrimination.
>>
>>> Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's 
>>> efforts are illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.
>>
>> There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and 
>> even U.S. citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment 
>> because they didn't look "American" enough - IOW white 
>> enough.
> 
> Not tales, documented incidents:
> 
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest- 
> puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9
> 
> "They did not ask me for documentation for my American 
> workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers,"
> 
> 
> 
> 

An obvious error and it will be promptly rectified if it 
hasn't been already. Meanwhile, we're deporting illegal 
Russians, who do not have the vaunted BIPOC status, along 
with all the rest.

I regularly get citations for no seal belt.  Since there's 
never a good ending to arguing with police or sheriffs, I 
take the ticket, say thank you and write the Court. They 
citations are always dismissed. (1965 = exempt)


-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971