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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl> Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish Subject: The error is many. The truth is one. Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 20:21:44 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 160 Message-ID: <vqi8so$a45k$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 21:21:45 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="349f9955fccd765990d31048a93cd16d"; logging-data="331956"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/iPqjsVRFua0hC/UTAdlLe" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:B8J3YxtM+6Nqvool37yniUKLVDU= Bytes: 10325 title: Will Moshiach be a Republican or Democrat? l Classic Take S2:E9 source: Tut Altz link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqNksLsmpp0 Reply ... You are a rebellious people who have overthrown the Torah (you the Rabbis in particular), so I have little doubt that you will ignore what I will write here. Republican vs Democrat, that is the USA, but it is a deeper issue in the current (western) culture of supposed left vs right, going back to the French Parliament. Right was for the current Monarchy and church (etc), the old system, and more to the right sat various groups who wanted to change this in various ways. These days is the right tends to push more for Capitalism (a radical system of trade, which is against the Torah "the land shall not be sold in perpetuity", and also against Science because value comes from work and land is not a human product), while the left tends to critique the problems this causes (poverty, war, the rich &.greedy), while offering different solutions depending on what group. The understanding that land cannot be in a market seems to have been lost on both groups, which is a big mistake of course. There needs to be a market, however the land cannot be in a market in perpetuity, in needs to be distributed to all. The Rabbis are against this (Rambam Shemita 10:8 has overthrown the Torah, and hence was probably a big cause of the current exile). I suggest you take that personally. You support Rambam, then you caused the exile. Not only the exile from ages ago already, but the exile of right now today. You cause that, with your obstinacy right now this moment. You could choose different, but you lack the courage of someone like Moshe Rabbeinu, perhaps even a willingness to be honest and good. You create exile, with your Rambam. You create exile, even of the entire world, by not fighting against Rambam as you should have. You do not seem to take this serious, but that doesn't mean it is not serious. Anyway, here you can see that the truth is just something that gets lost on people and their shallow political - economic theories, and even though the Academia ultimately may understand these things (or so I have learned), they don't do a thing about it apparently (probably too busy chasing down their career and a bigger car for themselves ?). Personally I also would propose a State system different than that of ancient Israel, which is a Council Government model but with small groups only of willing people. This can be organized from the Minyan up (optional). 50 citizens can form a council to elect Delegates. It is too much detail to put in here, but it is extremely democratic. However, at the same time there would be a system of a King as well, but not a King as you - the Rabbis - want it, because you probably want another Pharao, another Sjaul, right ? You want a King like the Nations, and then gain power and Empire. A new ancient Egyptian Empire, now centered in Yerushalayim. That was the idea, wasn't it ? That is how you would bring this slave rebellion to heel, to crush it from the inside out, to divert it, and to remodel it. This is why you put the Sun disk idol on the 2nd Temple 'Lamp of Helena', as the proof that your idol (the Sun idol) had conquered Israel. The only thing that went wrong, is that Rome sacked the Temple, and now you hope to restore this mechanism for yourselves. That is why you support your Hillel and your Rambam, who are overthrowing the Torah, and why you teach Israel to break the Shabbos in two, because slaves aren't meant to be rested, they should be worked hard every day so their minds become mindless, and they can be ruled with ease. It is not so ? Then explain why you are against the Torah while pretending to stand for it, why the prozbul, why you have overthrown the Jubilee on land, and broken the Shabbos. Why did you do all this, what is your plan, since it isn't peace or justice or the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu. Why did you do this ? Why are you rebelling, why did you mess up your year count as well, since the Torah is clear and explicit: 430 years in Egypt. You think you can win ? You can win against the truth ? Win against heaven that is ? I guess we are going to find out. I warn you, that it may be the end of you as a class. I think the Rabbis have no future anymore within Israel. You are causing the second holocaust, the next round of punishment after the Nazis: 7 times worse, and for no reason. You simply refuse to be truthful with the Torah, and once that has caused most Jewish people to die because of your betrayal, I don't see how you can have a future as Rabbis or anything in the context of Israel which is supposed to Redeem themselves and free themselves from the treasonous Rabbis. In any case, I would propose a King without power, elected by first electing people who seem worthy by general elections based on who wants to be elected, and then those elected can give the votes they have to the 10 who had the most votes. It gets a bit complex and wild even, which you might not be interested in hearing (I can understand), but it will result in a group of 10, and the oldest will then be King (or Queen). The power of this Monarch ? Nothing. No power of governance attached to this position whatsoever. Not signing laws, not debating anything, although the King may speak at will. The Government is already established in another way. However, in case of governmental chaos (I heard Jewish people are quite the unruly and chaotic bunch, with a lot of shouting and unreasonable behavior among themselves, all shouting madly for their own cause and belief ? (like me I guess, lol)), the King does take over the Government by decree. The King may ascend to a higher position however, if so desired, by studying the laws carefully. He can then become a Sovereign Inspector, with rights of immediate access to Government entities and also businesses. Inspector of sorts, but not Judge. Only to inspect and gather evidence, but with a Sovereign power to do so. He will be the watcher who watches the watchers, and the whole Nation can in turn keep their eye on this Watcher who Watches the Watchers, and so we know who then watches the watchers: the people should. There would also be laws for Referendums. This entire model is already completely worked out in the last detail by the way. It has been ready for many years. Certainly since 2012, including implementation plan. If that is supposed to be it, you already delayed the Redemption easily some 10-15 years. I don't say you should even necessarily do this, but if not then at least do the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, however you do not, and so you have no way out and no future the way you are. You ruined the system you had. There is a why and reason attached to all this, but to write it all out here again (done elsewhere). Also, I am not going to be this King either. I prefer to stay as far away as possible from anything Jewish, since you are such betrayers of the Torah and the truth. You go do what you got to do over there, you'll find a few dozen children of King David to elect to the Kingship, and that's all going to be absolutely fine with me. Do your thing, but do it well. Hence in the end, you where correct I guess: the truth contains the good in everything, but to describe how that is true in every detail becomes a book length here. It can be done, but not now or here. * End reply. "The error is many. The truth is one." 2 + 2 = 4, one correct answer (within the normal context of math). 2 + 2 = 3, one version of wrong. 2 + 2 = 18, another version of wrong. etc etc. (That was the point.) Correct model of economics, is in the Torah: land distribution, market for products / work (which are ultimately the same thing, everything is ultimately work). To put some additional help in this system is wise, in my opinion. I proposed certain mechanism with this which are not in the Torah, and vice versa. Essentially however, it is the same model. Incorrect model 1: capitalism. Incorrect model 2: Communism. Incorrect model 3: anarchism (whatever that even means, I don't even think they understand or agree to anything themselves at this point, such a complete chaos of a movement those people are in every way I guess.) Basic Income (super-communism): also incorrect etc etc. There can be many incorrect models. Why exactly they are incorrect is its own debate of course, but it seems that it usually creates a problem of centralization of power, which especially does not work for large amounts of people. Where is Communism right ? In the family. They know each other. Communism can only function if people know each other very well, and also care about each other a lot. It has to be small. The family is the natural communie, you could argue, and I imagine that the Communists did it the other way around: they imagined their Communism, based on their experience and ideal of the family (father, mother, children, perhaps extended family as well). Very quickly however, it runs out of capacity to deal with issues, because the human mind (and morality) are limited. There is just so much to debate here, it seems to be endless. -- Economic & political ideology, worked out into Constitutional models, with a multi-facetted implementation plan. http://market.socialism.nl