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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 18:01:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <vqii7c$bcd0$4@dont-email.me> References: <vq5qqc$1j128$2@dont-email.me> <920b573567d204a5c792425b09097d79ee098fa5@i2pn2.org> <vq9lvn$2ei4j$3@dont-email.me> <4453bc0c1141c540852ea2223a7fedefc93f564c@i2pn2.org> <vqadoh$2ivg7$2@dont-email.me> <vqae74$2ivcn$1@dont-email.me> <vqag6q$2jief$1@dont-email.me> <vqagb7$2ivcn$3@dont-email.me> <vqakhi$2jief$3@dont-email.me> <vqalvr$2ivcn$5@dont-email.me> <vqaq2s$2lgq7$2@dont-email.me> <vqasm4$2lue4$1@dont-email.me> <vqb43k$2mueq$1@dont-email.me> <vqb4ub$2lue4$3@dont-email.me> <vqb683$2mueq$2@dont-email.me> <vqb6f4$2lue4$4@dont-email.me> <vqb6qr$2mueq$3@dont-email.me> <27b6da57f540cd39d2918411d8c94789678e3f45@i2pn2.org> <vqcvu3$34c3r$5@dont-email.me> <24c66a3611456f6a6969dc132fd8a227b26cbcbd@i2pn2.org> <vqdlqp$371bi$6@dont-email.me> <vqeceq$3epcg$1@dont-email.me> <vqf2bp$3j68u$4@dont-email.me> <vqh19v$2mh0$1@dont-email.me> <vqhj3n$5r7r$3@dont-email.me> <vqhm4q$6fo8$3@dont-email.me> <vqhs03$6vdc$5@dont-email.me> <vqig6a$bcd0$2@dont-email.me> <vqihd5$bcso$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2025 00:01:01 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a7cd4af0ac1547313f65cbaef3f65f1f"; logging-data="373152"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/FHaZ6vh7qNkX9Fai0/tmx" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:3w/qCj/Bg8bzI/k9Rnn0TXdTdnk= In-Reply-To: <vqihd5$bcso$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3588 On 3/8/2025 5:47 PM, olcott wrote: > On 3/8/2025 4:26 PM, dbush wrote: >> On 3/8/2025 11:41 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 3/8/2025 9:01 AM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 3/8/2025 9:09 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 3/8/2025 3:06 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-03-07 15:11:53 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The code proves otherwise >>>>>>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c >>>>>> >>>>>> A program does not prove. In particular, it does not prove that no >>>>>> different program exists. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The source code 100% perfectly proves exactly what it >>>>> actually does. >>>> >>>> The source code contains a finite sequence of truth preserving steps >>>> between axioms and a statement? >>> >>> The source code 100% completely specifies every single detail >>> of exactly what it does on each specific input. >>> Saying that it does not do this is counter-factual. >>> >> >> In other words, the source code does not meet the definition of a >> proof, so your claim is false. > > Dumb Bunny: > *Proof[0] is anything that shows that X is necessarily true* > *and thus impossibly false* > > The source-code in Halt7.c combined with the input to HHH > conclusively proves every detail of the behavior of HHH on > this input. Disagreeing this is either foolish or dishonest. > A proof is a finite sequence of truth preserving steps between the axioms of a system and a true statement that show the statement is true. Source code does not meet that definition. It just does what it does, nothing more.