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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 17:23:41 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: <vqijht$bcso$3@dont-email.me> References: <vq5qqc$1j128$2@dont-email.me> <vq8l3d$29b9l$1@dont-email.me> <4426787ad065bfd0939e10b937f3b8b2798d0578@i2pn2.org> <vq8mam$29b9l$5@dont-email.me> <920b573567d204a5c792425b09097d79ee098fa5@i2pn2.org> <vq9lvn$2ei4j$3@dont-email.me> <4453bc0c1141c540852ea2223a7fedefc93f564c@i2pn2.org> <vqadoh$2ivg7$2@dont-email.me> <vqae74$2ivcn$1@dont-email.me> <vqag6q$2jief$1@dont-email.me> <vqagb7$2ivcn$3@dont-email.me> <vqakhi$2jief$3@dont-email.me> <vqalvr$2ivcn$5@dont-email.me> <vqaq2s$2lgq7$2@dont-email.me> <vqasm4$2lue4$1@dont-email.me> <vqb43k$2mueq$1@dont-email.me> <vqb4ub$2lue4$3@dont-email.me> <vqb683$2mueq$2@dont-email.me> <vqbp05$2td95$1@dont-email.me> <vqcvlu$34c3r$3@dont-email.me> <vqecht$3epcf$1@dont-email.me> <vqf2lh$3j68u$5@dont-email.me> <vqf6mm$3j47v$4@dont-email.me> <vqg7ng$3qol2$3@dont-email.me> <vqh07g$26ac$1@dont-email.me> <vqhio1$5r7r$1@dont-email.me> <vqhm1s$6fo8$2@dont-email.me> <vqih45$bcso$1@dont-email.me> <vqii32$bcd0$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2025 00:23:42 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d63a95d414014c9c5b76bf21b1bac3a5"; logging-data="373656"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19s9K2yB/I7KTyvWkJ2sBTh" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:QvKwqe6pYNI9X3f2x0tfkU0ACXU= In-Reply-To: <vqii32$bcd0$3@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250308-6, 3/8/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4133 On 3/8/2025 4:58 PM, dbush wrote: > On 3/8/2025 5:42 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/8/2025 9:00 AM, dbush wrote: >>> On 3/8/2025 9:03 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>> Apparently you don't understand that inputs to a >>>> simulating termination analyzer specifying infinite >>>> recursion or recursive emulation cannot possibly >>>> reach their own final state and terminate normally. >>> >>> Apparently you don't understand that inputs to a termination >>> analyzer, simulating or otherwise, are specified by the specification >>> that is the halting function: >>> >>> (<X>,Y) maps to 1 if and only if X(Y) halts when executed directly >>> (<X>,Y) maps to 0 if and only if X(Y) does not halt when executed >>> >>> And HHH(DD)==0 fails to meet the above specification >> >> *THIS IS A SEMANTIC TAUTOLOGY THUS IMPOSSIBLY FALSE* >> Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and >> subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly reach >> its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally >> because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation. >> >> It is ridiculously stupid to believe that HHH must >> report on behavior other than the above behavior. >> > > It must if it is to be classified as a halt decider or termination > analyzer as per the definition. In other words you believe that HHH should just ignore the fact that DD makes a call that prevents DD from ever reaching its own final state? *THAT IS FREAKING MORONIC* Neither HHH nor DD have any idea that DD calls its own emulator in recursive emulation. None-the-less both HHH and anyone with sufficient technical competence can see that DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own final state. Two software engineers with MSCS agreed so there is no gaslighting me over this. Any attempt to gaslight me looks ridiculously foolish. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer