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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
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On 3/8/2025 9:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 3/8/25 6:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 3/8/2025 5:01 PM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 3/8/2025 5:47 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 3/8/2025 4:26 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>> On 3/8/2025 11:41 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:01 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:09 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 3:06 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-07 15:11:53 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The code proves otherwise
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A program does not prove. In particular, it does not prove that no
>>>>>>>>> different program exists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The source code 100% perfectly proves exactly what it
>>>>>>>> actually does. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The source code contains a finite sequence of truth preserving 
>>>>>>> steps between axioms and a statement?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The source code 100% completely specifies every single detail
>>>>>> of exactly what it does on each specific input.
>>>>>> Saying that it does not do this is counter-factual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, the source code does not meet the definition of a 
>>>>> proof, so your claim is false.
>>>>
>>>> Dumb Bunny:
>>>> *Proof[0] is anything that shows that X is necessarily true*
>>>> *and thus impossibly false*
>>>>
>>>> The source-code in Halt7.c combined with the input to HHH
>>>> conclusively proves every detail of the behavior of HHH on
>>>> this input. Disagreeing this is either foolish or dishonest.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A proof is a finite sequence of truth preserving steps between the 
>>> axioms of a system and a true statement that show the statement is true.
>>>
>>
>> Proof[math] tries unsuccessfully to inherit from proof[0].
>> I am stipulating that I have always been referring to proof[0].
> 
> And I am pointing out that it IS the same, it is just that you don't 
> understand that "Show" implies FINITE.
> 

In that single aspect you are correct.
Show that X is definitely true and thus impossibly false
by any means what-so-ever is not proof[math].

> You are just proving your stupidity by repeating your disproved claim.
> 
>>
>> If you cannot understand the Halt7.c conclusively proves[0]
>> the actual behavior of HHH(DD) this is merely your lack of
>> understanding and nothing more.
>>
>>
> 
> Sure I can understand what it does, as Halt7.c shows that the behavior 
> of the input is to HALT since that is what DD will do when main calls it.
> 

*WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS THEN YOU KNOW YOU WERE WRONG*
DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally
because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation.


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