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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
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On 3/8/2025 9:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 3/8/25 6:47 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 3/8/2025 5:12 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 3/8/25 9:37 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 3/8/2025 3:07 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-07 15:28:38 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/7/2025 6:32 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/6/25 9:31 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2025 6:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/6/25 3:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2025 3:20 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am Wed, 05 Mar 2025 22:03:39 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 9:57 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 10:53 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 9:31 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 10:17 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/2025 7:10 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, you know that what you're working on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has nothing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do with the halting problem, but you don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY BULLSHIT DEFLECTION.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have proven that you know these things pretty well 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SO QUIT THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHIT!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want people to accept that HHH(DD) does in fact 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> report that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing the code of HHH to an unconditional simulator 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH(DD) will not halt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "ret"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction and terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, replacing the code of HHH with an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unconditional
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulator and subsequently running HHH(DD) does not halt, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> previously agreed is correct:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/22/2025 1:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   > On 2/22/2025 11:10 AM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >> On 2/22/2025 11:43 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>> The first point is DD correctly simulated by HHH 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot possibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>> terminate normally by reaching its own "return" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >> In other words, if the code of HHH is replaced with an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >> unconditional simulator then it can be shown that DD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >> non-halting and therefore HHH(DD)==0 is correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   > Wow finally someone that totally gets it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you disagree, explain why this is different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In particular, give an example where X correctly emulated 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Y is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different from replacing the code of Y with an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unconditional simulator
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and subsequently running Y(X).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I may not have enough time left to change the subject and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly go
>>>>>>>>>>>> through anything but the exact point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You used to have enough time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is before the CAR T cell manufacturing process failed twice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which really means you need to abandon your fraudulent methods
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _DD()
>>>>>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>>>>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>>>>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>>>>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>>>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>>>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>>>>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>>>>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>>>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>>>>>> reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally
>>>>>>>> because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could show the machine-address by machine-address
>>>>>> correct execution trace if i was wrong. You only
>>>>>> dodge this because you k ow that I am correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and your problem is still that you are trying to hold to you 
>>>>>>> admitted FRAUD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using ad hominem instead of reasoning makes you
>>>>>> look very foolish.
>>>>>
>>>>> No ad hominem above.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Persistently falling go show the line-by-line
>>>> execution trace of the correct emulation that
>>>> would prove that the emulation by HHH is incorrect
>>>>
>>>> BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT
>>>> THE EXECUTION TRACE BY HHH IS CORRECT!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> The line-by-line emulation of the equivalemt program has been posted, 
>>> and was even posted by you.
>>>
>>
>> HHH(DD) is not equivalent to HHH1(DD) and you know that
>> you are lying about this because you know that with
>> HHH(DD) DD calls its own emulator in recursive emulation
>> and with HHH1(DD) DD DOES NOT CALL HHH1.
> 
> Right, but the behavior of the DD that they both look at is.
> 
> HHH aborts and gets the wrong answer.
> 
> HHH1 emulates the input to the end, and get the right answer.
> 

*WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS THEN YOU KNOW YOU WERE WRONG*
DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally
because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation.

>>
>> Maybe I should contact your pastor and tell him
>> that you are lying? I am concerned for your soul.
>>
>>
> 
> I wouldn't worry about my soul, I would think about your own.
> 

So you are OK if I contact your pastor?

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