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From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid
 rebuttals ---PSR---
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 22:51:20 -0500
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On 3/8/2025 10:48 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 3/8/2025 9:45 PM, dbush wrote:
>> On 3/8/2025 10:40 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 3/8/2025 9:24 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>> On 3/8/2025 10:20 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> *WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS THEN YOU KNOW YOU WERE WRONG*
>>>>> Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and 
>>>>> subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly reach
>>>>> its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally
>>>>> because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And when that code is not replaced HHH does a partial simulation of 
>>>> a computation that halts, as demonstrated by DD halting when 
>>>> executed directly.
>>>
>>> That Straw-man deception looks ridiculously stupid
>>> when I challenge you to provide the line-by-line
>>> machine code addresses of Replacing the code of HHH with an 
>>> unconditional simulator and subsequently running HHH(DD)
>>   such that DD reaches its own "ret" instruction
>>> and terminates normally.
>>>
>>> _DD()
>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
>>> [00002155] c3         ret
>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously when the code of HHH is replaced with an unconditional 
>> simulator then DD will not halt.  But without that replacement, HHH 
>> does a partial simulation of a halting computation, as demonstrated by 
>> DD halting when executed directly.
> 
> *This is all you get from me until this point is fully addressed*
> 
> <copy-paste response>
> 
> 

In other words, you have no rebuttal.  A copy-paste response is worse 
than no rebuttal at all.

That less-than-a-rebuttal means you accept that HHH(DD)==0 is wrong 
because DD halts when executed directly, as required to be a solution to 
the halting problem:

(<X>,Y) maps to 1 if and only if X(Y) halts when executed directly
(<X>,Y) maps to 0 if and only if X(Y) does not halt when executed directly