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From: JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
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Subject: Why the Fermi Assumption matters
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 01:47:22 -0500
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Going back quite a long time ago -- way back when there were
real people posting to this group, not just the symptoms to
various crippling disorders -- I remember arguing that folks
should NOT be so dogmatic in defense of the "Humans are apes!"
trope. For a couple of reasons.

First and foremost was the fact that the whole point of the
internet, usenet & this group is COMMUNICATION. And if saying
"Humans are apes" is a barrier to communications, it was raising
defenses in the other side, closing down minds, then you have
no choice but to drop it. Else, admit that you don't give a
damn about actually reaching people, informing them... changing
a mind.

Secondly, it's not a "Truth" but a "Convention." It's a way that
we order things... our relationship to other animals. It's how
we put things together in our minds to aid on our understanding.

It's not real. Logically, it makes just as much sense to go the
other way:  "If we are humans than our ancestors were humans and
the LCA was a human and so on & so forth..."

That's actually logic. You really need to summon a healthy dose
of idiocy to not be able to see this. Just because we have
selected to group things a certain way does not mean that there
aren't other ways to group them. So why get all dogmatic in the
first place? I mean, in addition to the communications issue..

Also, it's inaccurate. The LCA was bipedal and all in but absolute
certainty used tools for real, not some idiot "I'm using hammer
as a noun, instead of 'bang' or 'whack', so that manifests the
noun into existence!"

Finally, words do matter. Saying "Humans as ape" has destroyed
GENERATIONS of minds, causing them to think in overly simplistic
linear terms that simply are wrong. (See the LCA, above).

So, choosing the wrong words stunts communications even as it
poisons thinking. And, pretending there is a "Fermi Paradox" is
one such case.

There is no paradox. None. If you assume that aliens should be
here, take a look around & don't see any, that means your
assumption was wrong.

That's it.

I think we all assume that there are aliens, I never met anyone
educated past the sixth grade who didn't believe so, but do we
really have any reason to assume that they can much less should
be here?

We're not THERE, why should they be HERE?

We can't even get our technology THERE, for Christ's sake! Shouldn't
we at least make one serious attempt before throwing up our hands
and collectively shouting, "Where are they?!?!?!"











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