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From: Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: Last night was "surf and coop."
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 08:31:46 -0400
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On 3/8/2025 11:56 PM, Carol wrote:
> Ed P wrote:
> 
>> On 3/8/2025 10:14 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I am not a big fan of the taxing and tipping culture and would
>>> prefer  that tax and service be included in the menu price. I do
>>> tip but I stick  to the old standard of 15% for good service and I
>>> am fed with the  pressure for a minimum 20% just for showing up.
>>>
>>>
>> Won't work.  Tipping in restaurants is ingrained and overall, works.
>>
>> Canada may be different,but in the US, states determine minimum wage
>> for service workers if they want more than the federal mandate of
>> $2.13.  In Florida is in the $10,98 vs $14 for regular minimum.
>>
>> The business will have to pay more so prices will go up to cover it.
>> People will complain, even if a tip is not needed and some sales will
>> be lost.
>>
>> Let's say they start to pay the $14 wage.  Many servers will quit.
>>
>> Take a family restaurant type, Applbee's, or Chili's. What do you
>> think is a fair and decent wage for the server?
>>
>> Oh, under present setup, servers often have to share a portion of the
>> tip with others, like food runners.
>>
>> OK, as manager, what do you think your servers should earn?
> 
> Long ago I worked with this.  What most don't know if if it's a chain
> place (Applebees, Chili's, Denny's etc. including McDonalds and that
> set), they have to be paid minimum wage.  It's the NON-CHAIN places
> where you might see the 2.13hr.  Waiters at bars, Bartenders are fair
> game for it.  Exception Hard Rock Cafe, Hooters, etc are probably big
> enough to be part of it.
> 
What the heck are you talking about?  Tipped employee minimum wage 
varies by state.  Check it out:

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

Quite a few only earn $2.13/hour in base pay.  The employer is supposed 
to make up the difference to meet the state minimum wage if the tipped 
employee doesn't report enough in tips to meet the minimum.


> The people aren't going to tell you this.  They want you to think they
> get 2.13hr so you tip heavily in sympathy.
> 
WTH?

> Starbucks is the worst.  They pay well over minimum wage and have good
> benefits, even ones that help pay for a degree.
>
An employer can choose to pay over minimum wage but they cannot fall 
below the state minimum hourly rate. In a lot of states the minimum wage 
is higher than the Federal rate (which is still $2.13/hour).

> I DO leave a good tip if service is good.  I leave more if they
> actually fall under the 2.13hr (a few local places do like my favorite
> Chinese place) but most of them pay more than 2.13hr just to get people.

Do you routinely discuss hourly wages with the people who work at 
restaurants?  How do you know what they're being paid?

Jill