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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR--- Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 09:49:03 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 106 Message-ID: <vqk68e$ooc8$1@dont-email.me> References: <vq5qqc$1j128$2@dont-email.me> <vqb4ub$2lue4$3@dont-email.me> <vqb683$2mueq$2@dont-email.me> <vqbp05$2td95$1@dont-email.me> <vqcvlu$34c3r$3@dont-email.me> <vqecht$3epcf$1@dont-email.me> <vqf2lh$3j68u$5@dont-email.me> <vqf6mm$3j47v$4@dont-email.me> <vqg7ng$3qol2$3@dont-email.me> <vqh07g$26ac$1@dont-email.me> <vqhio1$5r7r$1@dont-email.me> <vqhm1s$6fo8$2@dont-email.me> <vqih45$bcso$1@dont-email.me> <vqii32$bcd0$3@dont-email.me> <vqijht$bcso$3@dont-email.me> <vqik16$bcd0$5@dont-email.me> <vqine6$cton$1@dont-email.me> <vqiovv$d4j1$2@dont-email.me> <vqiqk0$dc6s$2@dont-email.me> <vqirn6$dje3$1@dont-email.me> <vqiug9$duqq$1@dont-email.me> <vqiur3$dje3$3@dont-email.me> <vqj2ab$dje3$8@dont-email.me> <vqj2pn$ef0h$7@dont-email.me> <vqj342$dje3$10@dont-email.me> <vqj3bc$ef0h$9@dont-email.me> <vqj3n1$dje3$12@dont-email.me> <vqj460$il72$1@dont-email.me> <vqj4mf$ikc5$1@dont-email.me> <vqj57r$ipa4$1@dont-email.me> <vqj5k2$dje3$13@dont-email.me> <vqj6e6$j0t2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2025 14:49:03 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a7cd4af0ac1547313f65cbaef3f65f1f"; logging-data="811400"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+OeGdoSiTj3DHyzYdALMEk" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:i7G/T7fzvdczOWvVV9PmxKno7Pw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vqj6e6$j0t2$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 5779 On 3/8/2025 11:45 PM, olcott wrote: > On 3/8/2025 10:32 PM, dbush wrote: >> On 3/8/2025 11:25 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 3/8/2025 10:16 PM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 3/8/2025 11:07 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:59 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>> On 3/8/2025 10:53 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:49 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 10:43 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2025 9:35 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your copy-paste answer to multiple threads indicates you have >>>>>>>>>> no real rebuttal for what others have said. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *This is all you get from me until this point is fully addressed* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <copy-paste response> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In other words, you have no rebuttal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *This is all you get from me until this point is fully addressed* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *UNTIL YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND* >>>>>>> *THE NEXT STEP THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <copy-paste response> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't matter, as you've already accepted that your HHH isn't a >>>>>> solution to the halting problem >>>>> >>>>> *I never said that* >>>> >>>> Yes you did, by making no attempt to explain otherwise: >>>> >>> >>> *This is all you get from me until this point is fully addressed* >>> Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and >>> subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly reach >>> its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally >>> because DD calls HHH(DD) in recursive emulation. >>> >> >> >> In other words, HHH fails to meet the requirement to be classified as >> a solution to the halting problem, as you have already admitted. >> > > Erasing and replacing my words with your words > is a real scumbag move. Not when you gave your official approval to do so after admitting for the record that they mean the same thing: On 3/6/2025 8:22 AM, dbush wrote: > On 3/5/2025 11:06 PM, dbush wrote: >> Last chance: >> >> Give an example where X correctly emulated by Y is >> different from replacing the code of Y with an unconditional simulator >> and subsequently running Y(X). >> >> Failure to do so in your next reply (or within one hour of your next >> post in this newsgroup) will be taken as your on-the-record admission >> that they mean the same thing, and that additionally you officially >> approve of replacing the former with the latter in any of your quotes >> to make it clear exactly what you're talking about. >> > > Let The Record Show that Peter Olcott made the following post in this > newsgroup after the above quoted message: > > On 3/5/2025 11:41 PM, olcott wrote: > > No matter WTF HHH is DD cannot possibly reach its "ret" > > instruction and terminate normally when correctly emulated by HHH. > > Either this is over your head or you are a liar. There is > > no third choice. > > And has not responded to the quoted message above more than 8 hours > after he made the above post. > > He has therefore satisfied the requirements stated above for admission > of the given statement. So: > > Let The Record Show: > > That Peter Olcott: > > Has admitted that the following statement (Statement 1): > > DD correctly simulated by HHH > > Is exactly equivalent to the following statement (Statement 2): > > Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and > subsequently running HHH(DD) > > And has given his official permission to anyone responding to his > messages to replace Statement 1 with Statement 2 in any of his quoted > messages for the purposes of making it clear what he is claiming